Originally Posted by JimM
Ok, Gord & Bill: I take your points. If a guys stands on a soapbox at Hyde Park, even though he might recite a perfectly reasonably message, he is going to be taken for an idiot and do his message more harm than good. No one is really hurt if he gets one more email
he does not want, and no one here seems terribly concerned about the health
of Westmarine (I suppose we have all done enough already for that cause), but the messenger may undercut his message. That would be a shame. (And I agree that Westmarine and Patagonia do not share a lot of customers, except that both have too much to spend.) But Randy is clearly a businessman too. He was once a good one and is doubtless still a rich one. Maybe he does not really care if the value of his stake in his company is cut in half. Violating conventional business sense may have a serious decision. Maybe he feels that some of the email's audience will take away a different message: that he thinks the problem is serious enough to break the rules - that the state of the ocean is less like, say, piracy
(relatively familiar if annoying) and more like a huge meteor heading directly (if slowly) toward the earth. I get a lot of email I do not want; I was not delighted to get his either. But it did impress me.
Jim, It (the original email) "Impressed" a lot of folks, on both sides of the equation of a terribly controversial issue, without (all or even remotely close to all) the supporting facts. "Figures Lie & Liars Figure" my Dad still says.
As Gord points out, WM (& BOATUS's MEMBERSHIP
LIST) email information is NOT supposed to be privy to OUTSIDERS, nor even "insiders"(including COMPANY PRESIDENTS/CEO's) for either personal gain/agenda dessemination.
While I beleive boatUS is TOTALLY Appropriate WHEN THEY email me requesting that I contact legislators and ask them to vote No or YES on a specific issue (that can benefit Boats AND THE WATERS/OCEANS), they ARE a political organization, w/a lobbying arm specifically for that purpose, of which many of us contribute tons of money to. Email from them? No problemo in my book. Email didn't COME from them, yet MY Email addy (& MILLIONS OF OTHERS) was accessed by WM due to their obvious access to BOATUS's email addy records (as I'm not a "WM "Subscriber", nor have I ever been). That was (1) thorn in my side. Also considering inevitable summary once that camel (gov.org) gets his nose in the tents (of OUR BOATS, and HOW they ARE POWERED), yes, sailors will rank low on the totem pole...initially.
Jim, are YOU willing to give up Your investment(s), for nothing (for that's what they'd be worth) and allow the gov.org to either dictate WHEN and WHERE you can go on the waters, or most likely in the end, voluntarily "authorize" them to remove Your RIGHT completely, for the "greater good" of the oceans?
That's the perplexing question those of us who know federal income
tax started at 1%, SSI started at 1%, all schooling used to be private, SSI #'s <--Were REQUIRED BY LAW to ONLY be USED for determining SSI Benefits(rather than as an additional form of Identification), Passports(& drivers licenses) NEVER had "barcodes" in them former 3 years ago, & so it goes. That camel now seeks to take over the tent. Some of us history
students are getting out "electric cattle prods/stun guns" to try and retake our humble abode as it stinks like a camel. Some sit on the sidelines (& cheer...or not) & some advocate the camel running EVERYTHING. They know not what they ask for (imho only).
Randy Repass's letter, like a "clockwork orange" was upside down to all that some of us hold dear (like a RIGHT to access to the water
, along with a RESPONSIBILITY to pollute less and when possible not at all).
IF HE WANTS to donate every penny he's worth to his wife's activism organization, that's HIS Business and I'd say "have fun, it's YOUR money". However when he takes the rolls of a political activism organization (FIGHTING FOR OUR RIGHTS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT Position he took) and comes uninvited in to the houses of millions where now he is obviously NOT WELCOME to preach a position that WE believe is far from Settled science, today, we get a little irate. The fact that he did so as the CEO of a company which stands to profit or FAIL based on his poorly chosen position, will in the end probably have created catastrophic losses for those share holders. By the time the dust settles, regardless of his tenure, he may be forced to step down. Having a wife heading an organization OPPOSED to folks using the waterways seems a conflict to me? I'm not a stock holder, so it's not up to me.
The fact that the (apparently badly needed damage control) "Apology" was penned by ANOTHER also didn't go unnoticed. I don't care if You want to BUY an email list & spam me until tomorrow night constantly; invited guests in my inbox are DIFFERENT. IF he'd put out his letter in their stores nationwide @ checkouts, I think the firestorm would have been just as loud, just as quick, yet FAR LESS WIDESPREAD.
It, in the end, was the equivilant of a GUN DEALER (rather than a mere owner) CAMPAIGNING, IN HIS STORE, for the re-election of Charles Schumer, infamous firearm hater. Best analogy I can think of. A lot of us went "huh"?.....UgottabeFreakinKiddinME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
(a WHOLE lot of us).
I care about our oceans & don't want acidification, dead reefs
, or a dead planet...only an IDIOT would assert such nonsense. Until we can PROVE what's causing the acidification (& quantify beyond those esteemed scientists who've determined it's because of a currently brighter, hotter sun...which we have nada influence over), we need to re-use, recycle, and not be PIGS on the water
whether dumping oil/caustics, running over manatees or whales, or just plain being STUPID. I believe all the aforementioned not only environmentally "friendly/green"....also simply:
Sad commentary is that it's not so "common" any longer.
Randy demonstrated poor judgment. I'll cast no further stones, as I am as far from perfect as Human Beings get...although I do have a grasp on that factoid.