lets try a reasonable debate
What moral autority do we have to abandon these people to their fate?
I think the presense of all the navies is a testamount to the fact that we are not "abandoning" people. But the fact remains, If you engage the pirates that have hostages , you run a huge risk that these people will be killed
I would not want to be a hostage in this situation, this will only end badly.
Actually rarely has it ended badly, mostly the ransomes have been paid and crews released
EU Navfor spokesman Wing Commander Paddy O’Kennedy says,
“Our priority is the safety
of the hostages. The pirates are using the hostages as human shields and if we get too close to the pirates they threaten to kill the hostages . . . I am sure they will carry out the threats if we got too close.”
As the american incident shows this is all too true.
Hence this isnt about detection, this is about how you deal with hostage negogiation. its not about ordinance, predator this that or the other.
The fact is every day the navies get better and interdiction is occuring
just this month
warships have foiled a pirate attack on an Iranian cargo ship in the Indian Ocean
off the southeast coast of Somalia
in the Horn of Africa
Lastly all these Navies operate under the laws of their own countries, which tends to limit what they can do. DO you really expect them to blow skiffs out of teh water
on a arbitary basis.
This is an imperfect process. Its working but not all the time, as the Navies improve their intelligence and operational processess , it will improve but
"As for the futility of the naval effort to thwart pirate attacks, Lieutenant Jeremy Oliver of the Combined Maritime Forces, a multi-nation anti-piracy group observes, “[t]he area to cover is simply huge, and navies cannot be everywhere at once.”
and the thruth is that
"In an address to a United Nations anti-piracy council, United Arab Emirates representative, Ahmed al Jarman, said naval responses are not deterring pirate attacks
off Somalia’s coast. Jarman argues that it will take an increased effort to bring pirates to justice in court and a rebuilding of Somalia’s collapsed government
to put an end to what is in fact a pirate plague in the region."
of course we "yachtees" dont make it easy
"The Danish government
said it was doing “everything in our power” to help the hostages. But maritime experts said the Johansens had foolishly placed themselves in grave danger
off Somalia’s lawless coast despite warnings from naval forces struggling to police the area against pirates."
and teh Wing Commander again
Wing Commander Paddy O’Kennedy, spokesman for the European Union’s anti-piracy force EU Navfor, said the organization sent an open letter to European governments, yachting organizations and magazines warning of the perils of sailing through the area.
O’Kennedy said, “We did everything we possibly could to advise the yachting fraternity of the danger
. [The Johansens] were aware of the risks they were about to take . . . When you’re on a yacht, it can take seconds from when they are seen to when they’re on board.” O’Kennedy said.
The Johansens really made it easy for the pirates. “They sailed right into the pirates’ arms,” said Per Gullestrup. His company owns a cargo ship that was held by Somali pirates for more than two months in 2009."
Simply put this is not about technology and Rambo style actions , its about people.
What moral authority gives you that right. "
Please don't go there, the mods probably will close the thread if morals and politics are discussed.
We're discussing "what can be done" not whether or why it might or should be done. Just what can be done, when or if anyone decides to do it
Exactly that whats Im discussing , what actually
can be done not what sci-fi nonsense thinks can be done. Remember US navies can only intervene in US ship attacks. A US naval ship cant protect say a Chineese ship unless specific permisison is sought and given, this is why most martime nations have a presense. It also explains that that whole thing isnt really a US Naval gig at all, as few US ships use teh route
. ( and why teh US has very few naval assets there) Its really a EU/Russia/China/Far east issue.