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Old 09-11-2010, 10:02   #31
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I said on the other thread on this video that is was good boat handling. It was. just watch his approach to the entrance. Of course, as they say on tv, "do not try this at home".
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Old 09-11-2010, 10:11   #32
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The boat was chartered in g`Dynia in Poland and had a crew of 9 poles.
One more good reason not to put your boat into charter. Hard to imagine that the boat's owner would agree with the decision to bring the boat in through breakers.
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22m/s is 79.2 km/h, which is 42 knots.

Other thing to notice is that he's doing this under power, so clearly they had decided sailing was off for the day.

But a Delphia 40 should have been able to keep the sea in 42 knots, with a couple of reefs in, and maybe heaving to to ease the motion for a while.

OTOH, we don't know if the weather was predicted to worsen, or if they had sick crew aboard, or they had run out of akvavit, or they had already blown out both sails, or the mainsail furling was screwed ....

Still a scary vid.

I'd like to know if the whole crew went back with the skipper.

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Now THAT is seamanship...or insanity...or both.
I disagree completely with this even being seamanship, unless there was a medical emergency or the boat was taking on water and not able to survive at sea. Good boat handling? Yes. Seamanship? Heck no! Good seamanship usually negates the need for this kind of boat handling. And, no matter how good you are at handling your boat, you are never in complete control in these situations. Good seamanship would have had him stand off for a while, or try a different port. As it was, he came within feet of hitting the windward side of that breakwall (sec 33). and if the next wave had been bigger, then he could likely have been sucked right into it. He was lucky that it pushed him away. My experience has shown me that good seamanship is not needing 'seamanship' in situations like this one.

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If it was all luck then they should be buying lotto tickets.
I realy think that's all it was.
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It sure looks like there's local knowledge and experience in their approach.
Local knowledge.
I have a mixed feelings, why he chose the worst port to enter. He should approach the Ronne or Hasle, only a few miles away, and much safer.
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Old 09-11-2010, 12:26   #38
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I'd rather save my luck, it may come time when I will have no choice.
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My take is that the Skipper initially had the idea of simply "taking a look" (at the entrance) - but felt committed a lot earlier than he thought would be (looking at the breakers well outside the harbour can easily imagine not feeling confident in being able to turn and retreat through those - and a few seconds later already even further in). Add in no sleep and wanting to get in.........

I think the run through the harbour mouth itself was a calculated gamble, but a gamble the skipper felt he had no choice but to take by then. Luck involved? loads

The person walking on the seawall is taking a fair risk as well..........
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The person walking on the seawall is taking a fair risk as well..........
And somebody is holding the camera as well. In this situation you take a look behind you during each approach and when you find the period and height of the waves behind you are steady then you go.

I ran into a similar situation running into shelter behind Seal Island. Now when referring to this lovely landfall I prefer to use its translated (Acadian) French name with 'oh' as a prefix. I believe the word begins with an F and there is a c and u if I recall, but in a different order.

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I bet he did it just to stop the whining that no doubt was going on. Nevertheless it really looks hairy on the video. I bet it was alot worse from the cockpit.
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And somebody is holding the camera as well. In this situation you take a look behind you during each approach and when you find the period and height of the waves behind you are steady then you go.

I ran into a similar situation running into shelter behind Seal Island. Now when referring to this lovely landfall I prefer to use its translated (Acadian) French name with 'oh' as a prefix. I believe the word begins with an F and there is a c and u if I recall, but in a different order.

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Good point, DOJ... by the time he was close enough to scope the entrance he may have realized he pretty much comitted and made the absolute best of a crummy situation. Entrances are tricky in foul weather/following seas and I know I've waited too long and been to close in to bail safely. Not a good feeling! Exhaustion could well have played a big part in decision making.
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I realy think that's all it was.

Local knowledge.
I have a mixed feelings, why he chose the worst port to enter. He should approach the Ronne or Hasle, only a few miles away, and much safer.
Not knowing the area or the projected forecast it is hard to judge but with this local knowledge it would appear that it was more a decision made out of desperation or ignorance.

Glad it went well and they survived

Found this other video of what looks like the same harbor on a slightly better day.

It gives a better boat perspective of the approaches.

With the first breakwater extending out from the entrance it would offer a buffer to shoot the gap in those storm conditions.

I would have tried it only in an emergency if I was sailing a light responsive boat as they were and there was no alternative.

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