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Old 24-06-2016, 18:24   #76
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I could never figure out what the UK had in common with the likes of Greece, Portugal and others. I do understand the trading block though.
As a Portuguese, I agree 100%, especially when looking at UK's health care system.

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I could never figure out what the UK had in common with the likes of Greece, Portugal and others. I do understand the trading block though.
scratch an aristocrat,and find a fascist lurking underneath........
scratch a socialist and find a communist..........

the ruling classes in Europe,and the proletariat demographic has not changed that much over the past 150 years,what has changed is access to wealth,take away the wealth from the proletariat,as is happening and you will get some very nervous rulers.

the brexit is just the tip of the iceberg.
Greece had its generals directly supported by the british after the war,as did Portugal.
spain was a fascist dictatorship until the eu came into existence.........

putin is rubbing his hands together with glee at the moment.

merkal overnight just became major partner in the European bloc....

sound familiar
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Meh. Im sure GB will be fine. They seemed to do fairly well throughout history before the EU.
And since it has appeared, at least to a casual observer like myself, that the EU was on course for failure for awhile, Im betting that GB is just the first to leave. It might work out better for them in the end, than to be the last one on a sinking ship.
Im sure there are some that this will effect negatively, but I am sure others will be affected positively.
As far as the comments about Trump, I am just glad we have a crooked lying criminal we can vote for instead.
Seriously..
Ive heard the names Bush and Clinton on a daily basis for over 45 years. I am tired of both those families and wish they would both go away.
By the way, never voted for a bush and never voted for a clinton and never will. Two heads of the same snake, those two families.
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Meh. Im sure GB will be fine. They seemed to do fairly well throughout history before the EU.
Hmm, I'd ask Mr. Churchill, in 1945, how he felt about that. 70 years...
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Hmm, I'd ask Mr. Churchill, in 1945, how he felt about that. 70 years...
On September 19th, 1946, Winston Churchill said "... We must build a kind of United States of Europe... "
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I could never figure out what the UK had in common with the likes of Greece, Portugal and others. I do understand the trading block though.
Never mind. Europeans still fail to understand what Arkansas and California have in common. We believe to understand the USA anyhow, though.
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voters confusing job insecurity, social and cultural identity with geographic and financial management structures. absolutely a pyrrhic victory. Let's hope that the bureaucrats can so confuse things that it just doesn't happen
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. . . IMO, not as different any more. Apart from the non-productive (in a classical sense) City paper hanging, I and most others buy little of British origin. Compared to China, maybe even India (or whole hog BRICS), the UK is hardly a superpower today.. .
If you judge economies by what you buy in the store, and think finance is "paper hanging", then it's doubtful that we can have a meaningful conversation about economics.

I'm not British, but don't like to see this kind of mischaracterization.

The UK economy is the 5th largest in the world, and is among the 10 most competitive economies in the world (China is not on that list). By 2030 the UK economy should pass Germany's to become the largest in Europe. The UK's finance industry is world-dominating, and the UK has the largest and most advanced IT & Internet sector in Europe. The UK economy is the most dynamic and open in Europe. The UK has lots of problems, but these are mostly problems all advanced countries have -- changing structure of employment, social discontent, excessive taxation, demographic decline, a mountain of debt, problems funding pension and social programs, etc. But these are problems we all have -- to put it into perspective, the UK has less net debt (NIIP) per capita than the U.S. at the moment, and has a lower unemployment rate.

All that is actually one of the reasons why Brexit is so dangerous -- the UK economy is one of the main engines of the European economy and the source of a disproportionate amount of innovation and technological progress. After Brexit, can that engine still be somehow hooked up to the train in some way? No one knows.
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If you judge economies by what you buy in the store, and think finance is "paper hanging", then it's doubtful that we can have a meaningful conversation about economics.

I'm not British, but don't like to see this kind of mischaracterization.

The UK economy is the 5th largest in the world, and is among the 10 most competitive economies in the world (China is not on that list). By 2030 the UK economy should pass Germany's to become the largest in Europe. The UK's finance industry is world-dominating, and the UK has the largest and most advanced IT & Internet sector in Europe. The UK economy is the most dynamic and open in Europe. The UK has lots of problems, but these are mostly problems all advanced countries have -- changing structure of employment, social discontent, excessive taxation, demographic decline, a mountain of debt, problems funding pension and social programs, etc. But these are problems we all have -- to put it into perspective, the UK has less net debt (NIIP) per capita than the U.S. at the moment, and has a lower unemployment rate.

All that is actually one of the reasons why Brexit is so dangerous -- the UK economy is one of the main engines of the European economy and the source of a disproportionate amount of innovation and technological progress. After Brexit, can that engine still be somehow hooked up to the train in some way? No one knows.
Having internally disagreed with previous comments made by you Dockhead, I now see where you are coming from. I agree with this summation.

As for the future, whilst I was against disentanglement, I can only hope that the next government in the UK uses the strengths of Britain to hammer or forge a new European connection, because in truth the economic trade was to everyones advantage. Sad though when bureaucrats decide they also need to involve themselves in a bland uniform sameness and destroy a nations way of life.

Here is to a European unity where we can live together and retain individual character.
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Ars long, vita bres and mans memory even worse. How many remembers the state of the Kingdom before -73. Industry and mines shutting down, strikes etc... The good old days, whish they be here again (music was better then thou)
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Well, Gibraltar is going to be kicked in the booty hard.... I mean Hard!!!!
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I can only hope that the next government in the UK uses the strengths of Britain to hammer or forge a new European connection, because in truth the economic trade was to everyones advantage.

I do wonder if there is a fudge that can be applied to all of this, sort of associate member of the EU. That way we leave and everyone saves face but then continue to work alongside the other EU countries. After all Norway and Switzerland trade with the EU. Something for the British Civil Service to come up with in the very best traditions of a "Yes Minister" solution.

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I do wonder if there is a fudge that can be applied to all of this, sort of associate member of the EU. That way we leave and everyone saves face but then continue to work alongside the other EU countries. After all Norway and Switzerland trade with the EU. Something for the British Civil Service to come up with in the very best traditions of a "Yes Minister" solution.

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Diplomacy is what the brits are good at...
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My boat is Part I registered in the UK, and it's not so bad -- roughly equivalent to Coast Guard registry in the U.S. The main complication is the tonnage survey which needs to be done only once during the whole life of the vessel.

And for anyone who prefers an EU flag, I believe that the Dutch "B" registry can be used by anyone of any citizen or registry.

There are companies like this one: Yacht Registration Holland | Quality Boats Holland Guide

which will do it for a small fee, without even needing you or the vessel to be in the Netherlands.

This is really a non-issue.


More complex could be Schengen rules, but the worst case is something like what us Colonials have. I think this is very unlikely, as the free-ish movement of people with Britain is very important to all of the European economies. Whether the UK goes the full Norway and Switzerland route or not, no one knows, but dollars to doughnuts the final result will be closer to that, than what we have. Furthermore, if the UK joins up with her former colonies on this issue, maybe a better Schengen visa deal can be negotiated for all of us.


In any case, nothing will happen for at least two years, and probably more like five, so no panic.

My part 1 ran out and i now have to do a new Tonnage survey as per their reqs.. If its not renewed within 1 year.
It was a battle for them to explain it as it took 4 people as the last one didnt know exactly.. But some head honcho replied saying i req a new survey..
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