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Old 01-05-2008, 14:47   #166
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OF course Dacron sails are oil based, could be a price rise in the pipeline?
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Old 01-05-2008, 17:07   #167
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Yeah just about every modern thing we have today is based on oil in some way. And I don't mean transport or the machines making something needing lube. I mean plastics and synthetics which means pretty much every single thing we have, is made form oil.
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Absolutely. Which is why we need to figure out an alternative to burning the stuff soon. These are the most amazingly useful molecules, they take millions of years to make, and we are burning them.
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Maybe we will find an easy/cheap way to take the Cs in CO2 and make our own carbon chains. It would give us some Os too.

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Hmmm, I wonder what plastic plants breath in and out :-)
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There are some resins and plastics based on vegetable products, I hear they are making a very good composite out of bamboo fibre and a resin based on a vegetable product and, from what i have heard, they used to make some plastics out of milk products. Cellulose is based on plant products and I don;t see why polyesters, and polyethylenes can't. Once the cost of oil goes up enough it is only a matter of time before plenty of petroleum based plastics wil be replaced by vegetable based ones/
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I hear plastic plants breath in diesel exhaust and exhale wind.
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There are some resins and plastics based on vegetable products, I hear they are making a very good composite out of bamboo fibre and a resin based on a vegetable product and, from what i have heard, they used to make some plastics out of milk products. Cellulose is based on plant products and I don;t see why polyesters, and polyethylenes can't. Once the cost of oil goes up enough it is only a matter of time before plenty of petroleum based plastics wil be replaced by vegetable based ones/
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Once that happens we won't have any vegetables to eat.
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Once the price of veggies go up then we can figure out a way to eat petro? All we have to do is rearrange the lil molly-cules so it doesnt taste like caste oil.
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Its not a good idea to take food crops or land used for growing food to produce fuel. It has already driven up the price of corn, which is used to produced methanol. Cars consume one hell of a lot more calories than we do.
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I wonder how many calories it would take for me to get 14 miles to work in 22 minutes.
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I wonder how many calories it would take for me to get 14 miles to work in 22 minutes.
Depends on how good a bike rider you are. Make it 40 minutes and a pushbike leaves any other transport for dead in terms of calories in/cargo moved. Did this yesterday when having to do a job and the admiral had the car. Add up the time working to make money for the car, a place to store it, parking, tolls, speeding tickets, insurance, prangs, time needed at the gym, and I reckon you are going a fair bit slower than that. Add in the time needed to cover extra taxes to support the infrastructure and you may find the average speed of the population is even less.
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