Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 19-03-2009, 05:39   #1
Moderator Emeritus
 
GordMay's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 31,586
Images: 240
Earth Hour

Earth Hour ~ Saturday, March 28, 2009

Join millions of people across the globe as they participate by turning off all lights and non-essential electrical appliances between 8:30 & 9:30 PM local time, to support an increased awareness of environmental issues.

Earth Hour began two years ago in Sydney, Australia when 2.2 million homes and businesses shut off the lights for one hour. Now this annual event has become a global movement, with up to 100 million people, across 35 countries participating.
__________________

__________________
Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"



GordMay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2009, 05:59   #2
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2007
Boat: 1973 Morgan 36T
Posts: 808
Images: 17
Thanks Gord for the heads-up.

But I think I will skip it.
__________________

__________________
Morgan Paul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2009, 06:03   #3
Ram
Registered User
 
Ram's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cruising Greece
Boat: Cat in the med & Trawler in Florida
Posts: 2,298
Images: 27
Yes Gord Thanks and I will participate - It is the least I can do!
__________________
Ram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2009, 09:36   #4
Registered User
 
cdennyb's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Northern California
Boat: finally a catamaran dive boat...
Posts: 505
Send a message via MSN to cdennyb Send a message via Yahoo to cdennyb Send a message via Skype™ to cdennyb
that's a very nice sentiment, but now think about this.
What happens when the poewr doesn't come back on?
How can this happen you ask. If all the generating sources on the planet are working at say, 70% capacity and all of a sudden, the load decreases by 60-80%, they will start tripping power generators out of the grid supply. Electricity is one commodity that has to be used as it's made, can't store it (except batteries but we aren't talking about batteries.), so now everything has stabilized, the gen sources have now cut back their capacity to meet the 30-40% load and everyone kicks on the power again after an hour. Guess what happens? Crash. because the generator systems can't meet the immediate demand for a billion Kw or more of power demand instantly. Someone isn't going to have power... so, if you choose to participate in this leftwing, ridiculus show of feel good sentiment, keep in mind what the global implications are. Instea of just flipping off the power for an hour, how aout cutting back in general... like turning out the lights when you leave the room, don't leave the water running, quit using plastic bags, consolidate your trips to town by car... etc. you get the picture... it's preached every day by some university green club members.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, the wanting to make a statement, but every good deed goes unpunished. LoL

in case you scoff at this idea, here's an interesting article from USA today, specifically addressing the power problem of just adding a few thousand electric cars to an urban area and the impact on keeping the power coming while these all go the charging mode at the end of the day!
http://www.usatoday.com/money/indust...ric-cars_N.htm
__________________
the perfect dive boat is one you're on...
cdennyb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2009, 09:47   #5
Registered User
 
Dreaming Yachtsman's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Kennewick, WA
Posts: 490
Images: 5
Send a message via Skype™ to Dreaming Yachtsman
cdennyb,
You missed a key phrase in GordMay's original post: "8:30 & 9:30 PM local time". Worst case, we would see power surges in only one time zone at a time. Perhaps that could cause some local power outages but certainly not the global catastrophe you implied.
__________________
John
Formerly S/V Yachtsman's Dream
Go sailing now. Life is too short not to enjoy it.
Dreaming Yachtsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2009, 09:54   #6
Registered User
 
cdennyb's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Northern California
Boat: finally a catamaran dive boat...
Posts: 505
Send a message via MSN to cdennyb Send a message via Yahoo to cdennyb Send a message via Skype™ to cdennyb
ok, it wouldn't be an instanous global catastrophe, it'd be a sequentially initiated catastrophe. Ever been in a power generating station like a Co-Gen plant, hydroelectric plant? It's a crisis moment when things go crazy like that. I guess those guys could use some excitement, it's pretty boring watching power load meters go up and down so slowly. LoL
A 50-70% drop in load over a 5 minute period of time would certainly be cause for alarms to go off.
It will likely be a non-issue but certainly worth the acedemic exercise we have the luxury of entertaining here at the board.

good thoughts.
__________________
the perfect dive boat is one you're on...
cdennyb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2009, 09:56   #7
MV
Registered User
 
MV's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: San Diego
Boat: Willard 8 Ton World Cruiser
Posts: 461
Images: 24
Send a message via Yahoo to MV
Last couple of days MCAGCC has signs posted announcing this event.

Thank-you Gord.
__________________
MV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2009, 10:37   #8
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
TaoJones's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Montrose, Colorado
Posts: 9,850
Quote:
Originally Posted by cdennyb View Post
<snip>
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, the wanting to make a statement, but every good deed goes unpunished.
The phrase you're trying to quote is actually "No good deed goes unpunished," attributed to Clare Booth Luce in H.Faber, The Book of Laws (1980). See:

No good deed goes unpunished. Clare Booth Luce, H. Faber, The Book of Laws, 1980

The correct quote, "No good deed goes unpunished," is pithy and full of delicious irony, while your incorrect rendition is both pointless and meaningless.

TaoJones
__________________
"Your vision becomes clear only when you look into your own heart. Who looks outside, dreams; who looks within, awakens."
Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961)
TaoJones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2009, 10:46   #9
Ram
Registered User
 
Ram's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Cruising Greece
Boat: Cat in the med & Trawler in Florida
Posts: 2,298
Images: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by cdennyb View Post
that's a very nice sentiment, but now think about this.
if you choose to participate in this leftwing, ridiculus show of feel good sentiment, keep in mind what the global implications are.[/URL]
Remember all actions are created in the mind first- so with this action some folks perhaps will become more aware and start being a bit more
aware that they are wasting energy- and the Global implications could be great!, like lower energy cost for all along with less pollution, need I go on?
__________________
Ram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2009, 12:11   #10
Registered User
 
cdennyb's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Northern California
Boat: finally a catamaran dive boat...
Posts: 505
Send a message via MSN to cdennyb Send a message via Yahoo to cdennyb Send a message via Skype™ to cdennyb
taojones...
yep, thats the right quote... i'm not an english major. thanks for the correction. nice job.

ram...
certainly not... good point. they're all dreams until someone does something. Shutting off my power due to some good meaning stunt would certainly get me attention. I wouldn't be thinking about conserving energy anymore, I'd probably be thinking about how to get "even" with such a bunch of idiots. LoL
__________________
the perfect dive boat is one you're on...
cdennyb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2009, 14:15   #11
Senior Cruiser
 
44'cruisingcat's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,458
Images: 69
Well Sydney has done it the past 2 years without catastrophy. Virtually all of Australia did last year, with no reported problems.

The fact is, at the end of "Earth hour" everybody doesn't switch everything back on at once. You realise you really didn't need all those lights and appliances going at once, so you leave some of them switched off. (Which is kind of the point)

We usually have a barbecue that night with a bunch of our neighbours, almost everything in the houses is switched off, (except fridges and such) and left off till we all go home, and most stuff ends up being left off all that night.
__________________
44'cruisingcat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2009, 14:56   #12
Long Range Cruiser
 
MarkJ's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australian living on "Sea Life" currently in England.
Boat: Beneteau 393 "Sea Life"
Posts: 12,828
Images: 25

Quote:
Originally Posted by GordMay View Post
in
Quote:
Originally Posted by GordMay View Post
Sydney, Australia when 2.2 million homes and businesses shut off the lights for one hour. .


Ho Ho Ho! 2.2 million houses in Sydney? I don't think there are that many!
There wasn't a dimming of the lights, can I tell you.
It was a media frenzy because it was a good looking school girl behind it (I thought it was quite sickening!)

Theres better ways to save the planet than making us feel guilt about ourselves.

The only other people that want us living in an unlit dustbowl driving a horse and cart are the religious extremists.

I'll fire up the diesel and grill some meat

Mark

__________________
Notes on a Circumnavigation.
OurLifeAtSea.com

Somalia Pirates and our Convoy
MarkJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2009, 15:23   #13
Registered User
 
Christian Van H's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Princeton, NJ
Boat: Challenger Anacapa 42
Posts: 2,097
Images: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by cdennyb View Post
ok, it wouldn't be an instanous global catastrophe, it'd be a sequentially initiated catastrophe.
CDenny, I believe your wonderful description "sequentially initiated catastrophe" is new to the right wing. It is entirely possible that you might sell this phrase or at least copyrite it, as they are always on the lookout for new scary phrases with which to frighten the general public. We at the forum should all be proud that this phrase was first published right here and glad in our knowing that we all helped instigate it. And you said you're not an English major...
__________________
www.anacapas.com

Here's to swimmin' with bowlegged women!
Christian Van H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2009, 15:34   #14
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Colombo
Posts: 1,059
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkJ View Post
...There wasn't a dimming of the lights, can I tell you...
That's how I remember it being reported after the event too for Australia. It was certainly so over here, didn't notice any lights out but I guess a few must have fallen for the silly gimmick.

Sydney first - I wonder, can't recall - but I would have thought we would have been first on the day, er on the night . Maybe the 2.2 million houses and businesses for Sydney included us too - many around the world don't know which is which when it comes to Oz and NZ - sorta like getting mixed up between the UK and France, we even speak different languages . But what would one expect from people who are happy to sit in the dark for an hour - I wonder what they did, was there a surge in births 9 months later, interesting?
__________________
MidLandOne is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-03-2009, 15:52   #15
Long Range Cruiser
 
MarkJ's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australian living on "Sea Life" currently in England.
Boat: Beneteau 393 "Sea Life"
Posts: 12,828
Images: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by MidLandOne View Post
Oz and NZ - sorta like getting mixed up between the UK and France, we even speak different languages .
But no one has sucessfully swum the channel.
__________________

__________________
Notes on a Circumnavigation.
OurLifeAtSea.com

Somalia Pirates and our Convoy
MarkJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Gallons / Hour with a Yanmar 3gm30 Dave in Eugene General Sailing Forum 32 18-01-2013 14:23
Hour meter discolored -can't see through it bob_deb Construction, Maintenance & Refit 7 10-12-2008 15:06
Faulty engine hour clock NoTies Engines and Propulsion Systems 1 24-04-2007 21:17



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:59.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.