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Old 18-10-2007, 12:39   #76
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Here are the errors in the Al's film as cited by an English judge.There has to be a disclaimer apparently before it is shown to school kids.So maybe a disclaimer should be issued here too!

Warning Al Gore's film may contain copious amounts of BS


* The film claims that melting snows on Mount Kilimanjaro evidence global warming. The Government’s expert was forced to concede that this is not correct.
* The film suggests that evidence from ice cores proves that rising CO2 causes temperature increases over 650,000 years. The Court found that the film was misleading: over that period the rises in CO2 lagged behind the temperature rises by 800-2000 years.
* The film uses emotive images of Hurricane Katrina and suggests that this has been caused by global warming. The Government’s expert had to accept that it was “not possible” to attribute one-off events to global warming.
* The film shows the drying up of Lake Chad and claims that this was caused by global warming. The Government’s expert had to accept that this was not the case.
* The film claims that a study showed that polar bears had drowned due to disappearing arctic ice. It turned out that Mr Gore had misread the study: in fact four polar bears drowned and this was because of a particularly violent storm.
* The film threatens that global warming could stop the Gulf Stream throwing Europe into an ice age: the Claimant’s evidence was that this was a scientific impossibility.
* The film blames global warming for species losses including coral reef bleaching. The Government could not find any evidence to support this claim.
* The film suggests that the Greenland ice covering could melt causing sea levels to rise dangerously. The evidence is that Greenland will not melt for millennia.
* The film suggests that the Antarctic ice covering is melting, the evidence was that it is in fact increasing.
* The film suggests that sea levels could rise by 7m causing the displacement of millions of people. In fact the evidence is that sea levels are expected to rise by about 40cm over the next hundred years and that there is no such threat of massive migration.
* The film claims that rising sea levels has caused the evacuation of certain Pacific islands to New Zealand. The Government are unable to substantiate this and the Court observed that this appears to be a false claim.


I mean anyway you want to cut it.Al Gores film spread enough BS to fertilyze the Sahara.A lot of people initially on the left ,then across most spectrums allowed the politics of the debate , influence the truth surrounding the accuracy of the science , and rather than contend or question the accuracy of the data presented by political meglomaniacs they chose to believe the people telling an innacurate story ... versus the actual scientific data.
In my view a great travesty has occured when science gets hijacked by politics or religion
It appears a lot of people still believe the guy even after he has been rebuffed by a court of law , now that's spooky !
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Thanks Captc. That pretty much sums it up. I even think that Al's statments qualifiy as "Neferious Intent".
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Anyone who says different obviously has very nefarious intent, and probably believes their great-great grandfather was a chimpanzee who did not know how to use toilet-paper.
I find this greatly offensive. As I have said before, LEAVE POLITICS AND RELGION out of this place.
I would love to throw my comments back at Kesey as to exactly what I think. But I won't because that is the point it all heads down the drain.
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I am not a scientist, but I will say this about some of the refutations cited, they sound like theories not facts.

This scientists knows beyond a shadow of a doubt about the snow melt or the desertification? It's no different from claiming that evolution is a theory because there is no "missing link" or no one saw it happen.

There seems to be an overwhelming consensus that humans are having an impact on the climate.

I'll go with that.

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WARNING: Al Gore is not the Scientific voice of the IPCC. . It should be clear that" An Inconvenient Truth" is a popular partisan film, not the definative source for the science.

Has anyone (CaptC) actually read the Court’s Judgement?
Goto: Dimmock v Secretary of State for Education & Skills [2007] EWHC 2288 (Admin) (10 October 2007)

And the”Guidence”:
http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/sustainableschools/upload/CC%20Final%20guidance%204oct.pdf

The text of the 2007 Peace Prize decision cites the IPCC for the scientific reports it has issued over the past two decades”, and for having “created an ever-broader informed consensus about the connection between human activities and global warming.” et al.
The text of the 2007 Peace Prize decision cites Al Gore his “strong commitment, reflected in political activity, lectures, films and books, has strengthened the struggle against climate change. He is probably the single individual who has done most to create greater worldwide understanding of the measures that need to be adopted.”
Gore’s contribution (if any) has been to popularize the subject, not to discover nor describe the science.
THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE FOR 2007:
[Goto:[/I] The Norwegian Nobel Institute - Nobel Peace Prize 2006
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Originally Posted by Norwegian Nobel Committee
The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 is to be shared, in two equal parts, between the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr. for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change.
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Indications of changes in the earth’s future climate must be treated with the utmost seriousness, and with the precautionary principle uppermost in our minds. Extensive climate changes may alter and threaten the living conditions of much of mankind. They may induce large-scale migration and lead to greater competition for the earth’s resources. Such changes will place particularly heavy burdens on the world’s most vulnerable countries. There may be increased danger of violent conflicts and wars, within and between states.
Through the scientific reports it has issued over the past two decades, the IPCC has created an ever-broader informed consensus about the connection between human activities and global warming. Thousands of scientists and officials from over one hundred countries have collaborated to achieve greater certainty as to the scale of the warming. Whereas in the 1980s global warming seemed to be merely an interesting hypothesis, the 1990s produced firmer evidence in its support. In the last few years, the connections have become even clearer and the consequences still more apparent.
Al Gore has for a long time been one of the world’s leading environmentalist politicians. He became aware at an early stage of the climatic challenges the world is facing. His strong commitment, reflected in political activity, lectures, films and books, has strengthened the struggle against climate change. He is probably the single individual who has done most to create greater worldwide understanding of the measures that need to be adopted.
By awarding the Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 to the IPCC and Al Gore, the Norwegian Nobel Committee is seeking to contribute to a sharper focus on the processes and decisions that appear to be necessary to protect the world’s future climate, and thereby to reduce the threat to the security of mankind. Action is necessary now, before climate change moves beyond man’s control.
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The 'elite' on any side of the table can't be trusted, they have proven it time and time again. I continually wonder how this cycle is able to continue. Perhaps it has something to do with mind control...

U.S. Patents for mind control techniques:

Method of changing a person's behavior - A method of conditioning a person's unconscious mind in order to effect a desired change in the person's behavior which does not require the services of a trained therapist. Instead the person to be treated views a program of video pictures appearing on a screen. The program as viewed by the person's unconscious mind acts to condition the person's thought patterns in a manner which alters that person's behavior in a positive way.

United States Patent: 4717343

Subliminal message generator
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A combined subliminal and supraliminal message generator for use with a television receiver permits complete control of subliminal messages and their manner of presentation. A video synchronization detector enables a video display generator to generate a video message signal corresponding to a received alphanumeric text message in synchronism with a received television signal. A video mixer selects either the received video signal or the video message signal for output. The messages produced by the video message generator are user selectable via a keyboard input. A message memory stores a plurality of alphanumeric text messages specified by user commands for use as subliminal messages. This message memory preferably includes a read only memory storing predetermined sets of alphanumeric text messages directed to differing topics. The sets of predetermined alphanumeric text messages preferably include several positive affirmations directed to the left brain and an equal number of positive affirmations directed to the right brain that are alternately presented subliminally. The left brain messages are presented in a linear text mode, while the right brain messages are presented in a three dimensional perspective mode. The user can control the length and spacing of the subliminal presentations to accommodate differing conscious thresholds. Alternative embodiments include a combined cable television converter and subliminal message generator, a combine television receiver and subliminal message generator and a computer capable of presenting subliminal messages.

United States Patent: 5270800

Method and system for altering consciousness - A system for altering the states of human consciousness involves the simultaneous application of multiple stimuli, preferable sounds, having differing frequencies and wave forms. The relationship between the frequencies of the several stimuli is exhibited by the equation where: f=frequency of one stimulus; g=frequency of the other stimuli of stimulus; and n=a positive or negative integer which is different for each other stimulus.

United States Patent: 5123899

Hearing system - Sound is induced in the head of a person by radiating the head with microwaves in the range of 100 megahertz to 10,000 megahertz that are modulated with a particular waveform. The waveform consists of frequency modulated bursts. Each burst is made up of ten to twenty uniformly spaced pulses grouped tightly together. The burst width is between 500 nanoseconds and 100 microseconds. The pulse width is in the range of 10 nanoseconds to 1 microsecond. The bursts are frequency modulated by the audio input to create the sensation of hearing in the person whose head is irradiated.

United States Patent: 4877027

Communication system and method including brain wave analysis and/or use of brain activity
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A system and method for enabling human beings to communicate by way of their monitored brain activity. The brain activity of an individual is monitored and transmitted to a remote location (e.g. by satellite). At the remote location, the monitored brain activity is compared with pre-recorded normalized brain activity curves, waveforms, or patterns to determine if a match or substantial match is found. If such a match is found, then the computer at the remote location determines that the individual was attempting to communicate the word, phrase, or thought corresponding to the matched stored normalized signal.

United States Patent: 6011991

Hearing device - A method and apparatus for simulation of hearing in mammals by introduction of a plurality of microwaves into the region of the auditory cortex is shown and described. A microphone is used to transform sound signals into electrical signals which are in turn analyzed and processed to provide controls for generating a plurality of microwave signals at different frequencies. The multifrequency microwaves are then applied to the brain in the region of the auditory cortex. By this method sounds are perceived by the mammal which are representative of the original sound received by the microphone.

United States Patent: 4858612

Apparatus and method for remotely monitoring and altering brain waves -
Apparatus for and method of sensing brain waves at a position remote from a subject whereby electromagnetic signals of different frequencies are simultaneously transmitted to the brain of the subject in which the signals interfere with one another to yield a waveform which is modulated by the subject's brain waves. The interference waveform which is representative of the brain wave activity is re-transmitted by the brain to a receiver where it is demodulated and amplified. The demodulated waveform is then displayed for visual viewing and routed to a computer for further processing and analysis. The demodulated waveform also can be used to produce a compensating signal which is transmitted back to the brain to effect a desired change in electrical activity therein.

United States Patent: 3951134

Silent subliminal presentation system - A silent communications system in which nonaural carriers, in the very low or very high audio frequency range or in the adjacent ultrasonic frequency spectrum, are amplitude or frequency modulated with the desired intelligence and propagated acoustically or vibrationally, for inducement into the brain, typically through the use of loudspeakers, earphones or piezoelectric transducers. The modulated carriers may be transmitted directly in real time or may be conveniently recorded and stored on mechanical, magnetic or optical media for delayed or repeated transmission to the listener.

United States Patent: 5159703


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Once there was a man who believed he was a matador, and that he knew bulls better than anyone.

Others told him that fighting bulls required years of training and preparation. That fighting bulls had become a science. That those who knew bulls from years of close observation said bulls were changing. That bulls were not behaving as they once had, and had become unpredictable. Even dangerous.

The man sneered. "A bull's a bull's a bull," he said. "They don't change!"

"But if you step into the ring with a bull without the proper training," they said, "You'll get hurt - maybe even killed! Haven't you seen the movie An Inconvenient Truth About Bulls?"

"Don't worry," he assured them, "I've heard that those who say bulls are changing can't prove it. And that movie is just a cheap version of some politician's slide show put on film." He snickered. "I even heard there's a judge in Norway or somewhere who says the film isn't true."

"That's not what the judge found at all," they shouted. "He wasn't ruling on the fact or fiction of the film's premise anyway," they went on, "He was ruling on whether it could be shown in the public schools without a film on bulls not changing also being shown to the students."

"But he found the politician's film to contain errors," the man pointed out.

"Yes he did, but he said that while the film contained errors, it didn't alter the fact that bull scientists had established that empirical data supported the conclusion that bulls had changed!" They looked at the man to see if this was sinking in.

The man said, "The bull scientists haven't proven anything to my satisfaction. And anyway, if bulls have changed, so what? We can't do anything about it."

And he blithely jumped over the fence into the bull ring. For awhile, the bull took no interest in the human. The man turned to those outside the ring, and said, "See, bull's haven't changed . . . and I am a great mata . . ."

His unfinished thought hung in the air.

The headline in the next day's paper read "Gore One - Man Zero" and only a single image remains to tell the man's story.

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WARNING: Al Gore is not the Scientific voice of the IPCC. . It should be clear that" An Inconvenient Truth" is a popular partisan film, not the definative source for the science.

Has anyone (CaptC) actually read the Court’s Judgement?
Goto: Dimmock v Secretary of State for Education & Skills [2007] EWHC 2288 (Admin) (10 October 2007)

And the”Guidence”:
http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/sustain...nce%204oct.pdf
I think we agree with the courts that a popular partisan film should not be trundled out as fact without a disclaimer of some kind... cooler heads are always needed to point out discrepancies.I presume thats why the issue ended up in court in the first place.
Individuals promoting the film as gospel were hesitant in admitting that any of the info in the film was incorrect in the first place.A judge ended up being a mediator.
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The 'elite' on any side of the table can't be trusted, they have proven it time and time again. I continually wonder how this cycle is able to continue. Perhaps it has something to do with mind control...
U.S. Patents for mind control techniques...
Methinks it may have as much to do with out of control minds, or perhaps mindless notions.
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Ive read a good bit of the "evidence" and proof and such on both sides of the argument. I care deeply about the environment and I want to see it preserved.

From all the evidence and reading I have done, there is only one future for the planet earth in which I am reasonably confident:

The Earth will one day be utterly destroyed when the sun goes supernova.

Other than that, all bets are pretty much exactly that.

So I'm going sailing.


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Ive read a good bit of the "evidence" and proof and such on both sides of the argument. I care deeply about the environment and I want to see it preserved.

From all the evidence and reading I have done, there is only one future for the planet earth in which I am reasonably confident:

The Earth will one day be utterly destroyed when the sun goes supernova.

Other than that, all bets are pretty much exactly that.

So I'm going sailing.


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Or maybe the earth will get sucked into a supermassive black hole. Either way, I'm going to continue learning how to sail and eventually go sailing.
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Methinks it may have as much to do with out of control minds, or perhaps mindless notions.
Perhaps it is saying that man isn't so smart after all. We are clever animals, and have learned to use tools well, however we are not much smarter than the Lemming when it comes to things that count. Has anyone read "A Short History of Progress" by Ronald Wright?
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If the ocean does rise? ...who cares? A rising tide floats all boats.
Perhaps, David, but as Warren Buffet has observed:

"Only when the tide goes out do you discover who's been swimming naked."

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Let me go back to my originally deleted post regarding Gore and say: "The smug Luddites have won"...smug alert!

Smug Alert! - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia!

The original post was intended to be humorous...while of course questioning the sanity of the world in which we live for giving Al Gore a Nobel Peace Prize.

The world seems to being losing its collective mind...no matter what side you are with Global Warming.
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I would like to thank the powers that be for allowing this discussion. Sailors tend to be good people with level heads. I believe it beneficial to hear the opinions of my cohort. May I add to the discussion the aspect of peak oil? Which is it? Are we running out of fossil fuel, the primary source of "greenhouse" gas, or is oil so plentiful that we need a global body to tax and regulate the oxidation of these hydrocarbons?

Do you see the inconsistency here? Oil is $90 a barrel. It seems the consumption of oil is self limiting anyway. Where is the emergency?

As usual, someone is not telling the truth. Unfortunately, the general population is only now beginning to see that conspiracy is the rule rather than the exception.
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