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avb3 · 07-09-2011, 13:53

OK, I am starting to feel like a broken record, bringing up these types of subjects more then once.

The problem is, we, as humans, need to find a way that makes us work with our environment, and not continually impact it to the point where choices we may want to make are no longer available.

I'm no tree hugging, dope smoking left wing wacko who hangs goofy banners from bridges or towers. Corporations are not the enemy, and governments don't conspire against us (OK, some do, but not the democratic ones).

I do enjoy a lot of modern societies conveniences, and mostly without feeling too guilty.

But when you see once again another study that causes concerns about our oceans, one starts thinking about cumulative effects.

We're not going to find the solutions on this forum, but every time the awareness level is raised, perhaps we can be part of the change towards real sustainability. We won't be going back to the days of " living in harmony with our environment", but at least we may have a better understanding of what needs to change to mitigate our impact, both individually and collectively.

Thus endeth this epistle, and I now climb off my soap box... for now

**atoll** · 07-09-2011, 14:05

decreasing the population on earth by 3-4 billion would go a long way to achieving those goals.........

**capngeo** · 07-09-2011, 14:21

Oh Boy... Here we go AGAIN!

avb3 · 07-09-2011, 15:02

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Originally Posted by capngeo

Oh Boy... Here we go AGAIN!

Yeah... I know...I should stop with this stuff, right?

Maybe anchors would be a better topic

**boatman61** · 07-09-2011, 15:31

Well if Europes farmers could be taken off their payments not to grow... and the money distributed to fishermen not to fish for five years that should do some good...
We rotate on land why not with fish stocks... Cod year, Herring year... blah blah

avb3 · 07-09-2011, 15:52

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Originally Posted by boatman61

Well if Europes farmers could be taken off their payments not to grow... and the money distributed to fishermen not to fish for five years that should do some good...
We rotate on land why not with fish stocks... Cod year, Herring year... blah blah

The United States has a program (CRP-conservation reserve progam which also pays farmers not to grow crops.

So how would you discriminate between species? That is part of the problem right now, with seine, long line and trawlers; everything gets scooped up, and the "by catch" usually gets dumped into the sea, dead.

Not being able to target species is part of the problem.

ReMetau · 07-09-2011, 16:04

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Originally Posted by avb3

The United States has a program (CRP-conservation reserve progam which also pays farmers not to grow crops.

So how would you discriminate between species? That is part of the problem right now, with seine, long line and trawlers; everything gets scooped up, and the "by catch" usually gets dumped into the sea, dead.

Not being able to target species is part of the problem.

Go back to single line target fishing. We especially need to get rid of the nets.

sdowney717 · 08-09-2011, 20:24

Educate the youth in school, that eating fish is not cool.
That is the way to make societal changes at the grade school level.
Change the law to restrict time on the water, make the fishing season shorter.
Save the sea kitties
http://features.peta.org/PETASeaKittens/

Mr B · 08-09-2011, 20:34

Not eating fish is unhealthy.

The reason they do deep sea fishing is because there is nothing left to fish for in the shallower depths,

There are area's all round the world that have been totally fished out, and are totally barren of all sea life,

Yes, we are killing the ocean,

capnorv · 08-09-2011, 20:47

Being from pig farming stock (my dad), I found a comment made by my Cultural Anthropology professor back in the 70's quite interesting. He claimed human tasted just like pork...kind of food for thought you might say. But I do like my seafood.