Climate Change

[sneuman]

Originally Posted by scoobert

wow, a total BS line. glad nasa had those satellites up in the late 1800's to watch this stuff.... have you not heard of climate gate? they faked the readings.

You don't keep up do you?
"Climategate" Scientists Cleared of Wrongdoing - Again - Forbes

[barnakiel]

I am yet to see any respect for nature in one of the 'pristine/remote/unspoilt' "paradise communities" we have visited. They are not about 'respect' out there, they are about 'use'. The good news is, unlike us, they use only as much as they can eat.

I think all this talk about conservation and respect for the world is yet another Western fad. And, unfortunately, a fad only.

b.

[sneuman]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

I am yet to see any respect for nature in one of the 'pristine/remote/unspoilt' "paradise communities" we have visited. They are not about 'respect' out there, they are about 'use'. The good news is, unlike us, they use only as much as they can eat.

I think all this talk about conservation and respect for the world is yet another Western fad. And, unfortunately, a fad only.

b.

There's definitely a hangover from the period of anthropological references to the "noble savage". I agree with you about that, but your second point is what's really the heart of the matter: much of the world consumes very little because they have very little with which to consume. They live in the shadow of our enormous first-world footprint.

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey

People are people and when the cost of kids outweighs their benefits they breed less.

Never underestimate the power of denial in people or their ability to use sex like a drug. When people are miserable and bored they will still reproduce.

Originally Posted by sneuman

You don't keep up do you?
"Climategate" Scientists Cleared of Wrongdoing - Again - Forbes

Odd isn't it after claiming a 180 IQ

[Group9]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Well there's a summary of Tea oarty thinking , how'd they do in the recent election

Dave

Not as well as the people who think printing money and borrowing to pay for a third or our budget is a good idea.

So, I'm not sure that's a really great test of how good an idea is.

[bobsadler]

400 PPM CO2 Update! | Real Science

[sneuman]

Originally Posted by bobsadler

400 PPM CO2 Update! | Real Science

Denier sites on parade!

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by bobsadler

400 PPM CO2 Update! | Real Science

You do know that Steven Goddard is a fictional character.

[Mike OReilly]

Humans are just doing what all species do. They (we) exploit our ecosystems to the maximum possible. Expansion halts when external barriers are encountered: predators, competition by other species, pollution, or resource limitation. When this happens population comes into balance with these barriers. So far humanity has found a way to blow past all barriers, and to exploit virtually the entire biosphere, but we're now encountering limits that may not be surmountable.

So humans are just behaving like all other animals. The fascinating question is whether homo sapiens can step outside of Nature and become the most unnatural species this planet has ever produced. We need to proactively limit our own exploitation. No species has ever done this. Can we?

I think it is possible. We have some things which may be a first on this planet. We can see into the future and predict what the outcome of present-day activies will be. AND we have the capacity to care about other species. These two facts may make us pretty special, if not unique.

... but so far the signs are not good. So far we are behaving just like all the rest. We are rapidly eating our resources and crapping in our nests.

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

Never underestimate the power of denial in people or their ability to use sex like a drug. When people are miserable and bored they will still reproduce.

In the most of the Western world contraception is quite popular and cheap, if not also free (with a bit of effort)........doesn't mean everyone uses it at the right time , but also helps account for the less than replacement level of births (albeit the primary cause is no longer any economic need and actually an economic disincentive to procreate).............It is either that or religion has caught on in a big way - and that ain't happened in practice, no matter what "morals" folks may say should be followed .

[savoir]

Originally Posted by scoobert

wow, a total BS line. glad nasa had those satellites up in the late 1800's to watch this stuff.... have you not heard of climate gate? they faked the readings.

Quite correct. Notice how the biggest alleged temperature increase is in Siberia. That is because
1. Nobody believes anything the Russians say.
2. Even if they are to be believed there are very few weather stations in Siberia so figures are hard to verify or dispute.

The data used to allege huge temperature rises in Siberia is all fake.
Prison Planet.com » IPCC Scientists Caught Producing False Data To Push Global Warming
Fake data was used in New Zealand too.
TBR.cc: BREAKING: NZ

PT Barnum was right.

[savoir]

Originally Posted by sneuman

You don't keep up do you?
"Climategate" Scientists Cleared of Wrongdoing - Again - Forbes

Presumably you believed the Warren commission, Hutton Inquiry and 9/11 Commission ?

These con tricks are as old as Methuselah. Find out who is picking up the tab, who is on the commission of inquiry and who ordered the inquiry and you can forecast the nature of the report even before the first day of hearings. The people who sit on such committees of inquiry can always be relied upon to deliver the " right " opinion - that's why they get the job.

It's all fakery set up to impress the gullible.

[sneuman]

Originally Posted by savoir

Quite correct. Notice how the biggest alleged temperature increase is in Siberia. That is because
1. Nobody believes anything the Russians say.
2. Even if they are to be believed there are very few weather stations in Siberia so figures are hard to verify or dispute.

The data used to allege huge temperature rises in Siberia is all fake.
Prison Planet.com » IPCC Scientists Caught Producing False Data To Push Global Warming
Fake data was used in New Zealand too.
TBR.cc: BREAKING: NZ

PT Barnum was right.

Prison Planet? Really?! You're actually quoting from Alex Jones' website?

This guy??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2w2TRxSLxw

[sneuman]

Originally Posted by savoir

Presumably you believed the Warren commission, Hutton Inquiry and 9/11 Commission ?

These con tricks are as old as Methuselah. Find out who is picking up the tab, who is on the commission of inquiry and who ordered the inquiry and you can forecast the nature of the report even before the first day of hearings. The people who sit on such committees of inquiry can always be relied upon to deliver the " right " opinion - that's why they get the job.

It's all fakery set up to impress the gullible.

Ok, sorry, now it's perfectly clear what we're dealing with.

[captain58sailin]

Age old axiom "Follow the money." If you want to see how thin the veneer of civilization is, throw a hand full of dollar bills on the sidewalk and see what happens.