Climate Change

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by SailOar

Don't know if you can edit your petition, but there are a few awkwardnesses...

Like to know more how such a tax would be implemented?

Surely its just an additional sales tax. In Europe 60 % of the fuel cost is tax. Believe me its implement- able

Dave

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

But if we just sit on our hands pretending there's a real debate over the science of AGW and climate change, of course this "limit" discussion is moot.

ABSOLUTELY

This is why I don't bother to engage with the deniers, neither here on CF nor in real life. It's a religious-type of discussion that gets us nowhere. Since their beliefs are not based on credible facts, data or research, there's nothing I can do to convince them of their errors. I have better things to do with my life ... like go sailing .

[LakeSuperior]

Originally Posted by Boatguy30

Somewhat related to this issue I have started a petition on Moveon.org to address the disparity between those that view fossil as a bargain at $4 a gallon and burn all they can every weekend and those that struggle to get to work.

Overall I believe it's an approach that will appeal to TRUE conservatives and progressives alike.

Please sign and pass on to your friends.

MoveOn Petitions - Fair Gas Tax

Cheers,
Jeff

So you would penalize anyone that wants to live in rural communities that would have to drive further to work but yet may be much more conservative in other lifestyle choices.

Why not just tax folks that make more money more as they can afford to pay more...a graduated income tax...wait wait we already have that system. Then take the extra money and give it to folks that don't do as well. Kind of like food stamps...
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/08/11/snap-goes-your-temper/

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

Does not matter because good use of analytical tools will easily identify the outliers and either discard or discount them.

For the ignoranti, it is safest to pick up a mid-point for their homebrew guesses.

If talking climate change, you want max time horizon = max data points. Otherwise we are not talking climate.

b.

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[K_V_B]

Originally Posted by hpeer

Well....IMHO humanity will NEVER willingly reduce population.

Circumstances WILL! Won't be pretty.

Most developed countries are already reducing their population without being forced to do so. Most population experts' projections expect the world population as a whole to stabilize at around 10 billion, then slowly reduce as every nation goes through the demographic transition.

[K_V_B]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Well maybe folk should start with cutting food consumption and return some of the agricultural land to forest..
My food for the day is likely equivalent to one sitting for 80% of Westerners... eat to live... sadly many live to eat...

We don't have to reduce food production in order to return agricultural land back to forests. Europe's been doing that for about 2 centuries now.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by K_V_B

Most developed countries are already reducing their population without being forced to do so. Most population experts' projections expect the world population as a whole to stabilize at around 10 billion, then slowly reduce as every nation goes through the demographic transition.

LOL... and less developed nations are breeding like crazy and sending their surplus over to us...

[sneuman]

Originally Posted by boatman61

LOL... and less developed nations are breeding like crazy and sending their surplus over to us...

Actually, birth rates have tailed off even in the developing world. As infant mortality goes down - and it has been gradually going down all over the world - lower birth rates tend to follow.

[K_V_B]

Originally Posted by sneuman

Actually, birth rates have tailed off even in the developing world. As infant mortality goes down - and it has been gradually going down all over the world - lower birth rates tend to follow.

Indeed. Every country is now already at least in phase 3 of the demographic transition.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by K_V_B

We don't have to reduce food production in order to return agricultural land back to forests. Europe's been doing that for about 2 centuries now.

The 2 centuries is ********.. in the UK at least.. and the reforestation has been mainly pines which acidify the soil.. barely over zero on the natural timbers like Oak etc... but then pines grow so fast and make great profits... in the meantime we can play the futures market and screw the Third World.. Keep em down.. Keep em poor..
Come the Famine... Fortress Europe/USA has the fertile land and stuff the rest... and you wonder why folk want to blow you up..

[sneuman]

This is informative. first, look at the birth rate chart here:
Birth rate - Country Comparison

Now, look at the infant mortality rates here (start from bottom, which are the worst):
List of countries by infant mortality rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's striking. While correlation does not automatically imply causation, this is strong anecdotal evidence that lower infant mortality rates equal lower birth rates. So, if that's true (and I think it is), providing good, accessible, primary health care is the most effective solution to the population problem.

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Surely its just an additional sales tax. In Europe 60 % of the fuel cost is tax. Believe me its implement- able

Dave

and it's where "free" healthcare comes from .

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by sneuman

It's striking. While correlation does not automatically imply causation, this is strong anecdotal evidence that lower infant mortality rates equal lower birth rates. So, if that's true (and I think it is), providing good, accessible, primary health care is the most effective solution to the population problem.

In some parts of the World that'll be called Socialism , in others Civilisation.........gotta also remember that in some parts of the world it's only a baby before being born - afterwards it is an unwelcome expense.

[Ocean Girl]

Before this get closed, thought I'd post my 2cents ( again)



glacier retreat

Something is going down, wether its our fault or not.

[K_V_B]

Originally Posted by boatman61

The 2 centuries is ********.. in the UK at least.. and the reforestation has been mainly pines which acidify the soil.. barely over zero on the natural timbers like Oak etc... but then pines grow so fast and make great profits..

The UK (and most Western European countries) had basically no forest left by the mid of the 19th century. That's one reason for building ships from steel...
Forest cover has increased dramatically since then. And not just pines, as I can see on my walks.

. in the meantime we can play the futures market and screw the Third World.. Keep em down.. Keep em poor..
Come the Famine... Fortress Europe/USA has the fertile land and stuff the rest... and you wonder why folk want to blow you up..

If the aim is to keep poor countries poor then we are failing miserably...