Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 12-08-2013, 09:45   #301
Nearly an old salt
 
goboatingnow's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 13,649
Images: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by SailOar View Post
Don't know if you can edit your petition, but there are a few awkwardnesses...

Like to know more how such a tax would be implemented?
Surely its just an additional sales tax. In Europe 60 % of the fuel cost is tax. Believe me its implement- able

Dave
__________________

__________________
Check out my new blog on smart boat technology, networking and gadgets for the connected sailor! - http://smartboats.tumblr.com
goboatingnow is offline  
Old 12-08-2013, 10:01   #302
Registered User
 
Mike OReilly's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Good question
Boat: Rafiki 37
Posts: 4,036
Re: Climate Change

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lake-Effect View Post
But if we just sit on our hands pretending there's a real debate over the science of AGW and climate change, of course this "limit" discussion is moot.
ABSOLUTELY

This is why I don't bother to engage with the deniers, neither here on CF nor in real life. It's a religious-type of discussion that gets us nowhere. Since their beliefs are not based on credible facts, data or research, there's nothing I can do to convince them of their errors. I have better things to do with my life ... like go sailing .
__________________

__________________
Why go fast, when you can go slow.
BLOG: www.helplink.com/CLAFC
Mike OReilly is offline  
Old 12-08-2013, 10:05   #303
Registered User
 
LakeSuperior's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2008
Boat: Teak Yawl, 37'
Posts: 1,581
Images: 7
Re: Climate Change

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boatguy30 View Post
Somewhat related to this issue I have started a petition on Moveon.org to address the disparity between those that view fossil as a bargain at $4 a gallon and burn all they can every weekend and those that struggle to get to work.

Overall I believe it's an approach that will appeal to TRUE conservatives and progressives alike.

Please sign and pass on to your friends.

MoveOn Petitions - Fair Gas Tax

Cheers,
Jeff
So you would penalize anyone that wants to live in rural communities that would have to drive further to work but yet may be much more conservative in other lifestyle choices.

Why not just tax folks that make more money more as they can afford to pay more...a graduated income tax...wait wait we already have that system. Then take the extra money and give it to folks that don't do as well. Kind of like food stamps...
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/08/11/snap-goes-your-temper/
__________________
LakeSuperior is offline  
Old 12-08-2013, 10:12   #304
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 5,048
Images: 1
Re: Climate Change

Quote:
Originally Posted by barnakiel View Post
Does not matter because good use of analytical tools will easily identify the outliers and either discard or discount them.

For the ignoranti, it is safest to pick up a mid-point for their homebrew guesses.

If talking climate change, you want max time horizon = max data points. Otherwise we are not talking climate.

b.
I should have used a or a
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline  
Old 12-08-2013, 10:21   #305
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Switzerland
Boat: So many boats to choose from. Would prefer something that is not an AWB, and that is beachable...
Posts: 1,242
Quote:
Originally Posted by hpeer View Post

Well....IMHO humanity will NEVER willingly reduce population.

Circumstances WILL! Won't be pretty.
Most developed countries are already reducing their population without being forced to do so. Most population experts' projections expect the world population as a whole to stabilize at around 10 billion, then slowly reduce as every nation goes through the demographic transition.
__________________
K_V_B is offline  
Old 12-08-2013, 10:28   #306
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Switzerland
Boat: So many boats to choose from. Would prefer something that is not an AWB, and that is beachable...
Posts: 1,242
Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61 View Post

Well maybe folk should start with cutting food consumption and return some of the agricultural land to forest..
My food for the day is likely equivalent to one sitting for 80% of Westerners... eat to live... sadly many live to eat...
We don't have to reduce food production in order to return agricultural land back to forests. Europe's been doing that for about 2 centuries now.
__________________
K_V_B is offline  
Old 12-08-2013, 10:28   #307
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 20,221
Images: 2
pirate Re: Climate Change

Quote:
Originally Posted by K_V_B View Post
Most developed countries are already reducing their population without being forced to do so. Most population experts' projections expect the world population as a whole to stabilize at around 10 billion, then slowly reduce as every nation goes through the demographic transition.
LOL... and less developed nations are breeding like crazy and sending their surplus over to us...
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is offline  
Old 12-08-2013, 10:34   #308
Senior Cruiser
 
sneuman's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2003
Location: Jamaica
Boat: Tayana 37 Cutter
Posts: 3,167
Images: 37
Re: Climate Change

Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61 View Post
LOL... and less developed nations are breeding like crazy and sending their surplus over to us...
Actually, birth rates have tailed off even in the developing world. As infant mortality goes down - and it has been gradually going down all over the world - lower birth rates tend to follow.
__________________
Voyage of Symbiosis: http://svsymbiosis.blogspot.com/
sneuman is offline  
Old 12-08-2013, 10:38   #309
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Switzerland
Boat: So many boats to choose from. Would prefer something that is not an AWB, and that is beachable...
Posts: 1,242
Quote:
Originally Posted by sneuman View Post

Actually, birth rates have tailed off even in the developing world. As infant mortality goes down - and it has been gradually going down all over the world - lower birth rates tend to follow.
Indeed. Every country is now already at least in phase 3 of the demographic transition.
__________________
K_V_B is offline  
Old 12-08-2013, 10:53   #310
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 20,221
Images: 2
pirate Re: Climate Change

Quote:
Originally Posted by K_V_B View Post
We don't have to reduce food production in order to return agricultural land back to forests. Europe's been doing that for about 2 centuries now.
The 2 centuries is bullshit.. in the UK at least.. and the reforestation has been mainly pines which acidify the soil.. barely over zero on the natural timbers like Oak etc... but then pines grow so fast and make great profits... in the meantime we can play the futures market and screw the Third World.. Keep em down.. Keep em poor..
Come the Famine... Fortress Europe/USA has the fertile land and stuff the rest... and you wonder why folk want to blow you up..
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is offline  
Old 12-08-2013, 11:22   #311
Senior Cruiser
 
sneuman's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2003
Location: Jamaica
Boat: Tayana 37 Cutter
Posts: 3,167
Images: 37
Re: Climate Change

This is informative. first, look at the birth rate chart here:
Birth rate - Country Comparison

Now, look at the infant mortality rates here (start from bottom, which are the worst):
List of countries by infant mortality rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's striking. While correlation does not automatically imply causation, this is strong anecdotal evidence that lower infant mortality rates equal lower birth rates. So, if that's true (and I think it is), providing good, accessible, primary health care is the most effective solution to the population problem.
__________________
Voyage of Symbiosis: http://svsymbiosis.blogspot.com/
sneuman is offline  
Old 12-08-2013, 12:35   #312
Armchair Bucketeer
 
David_Old_Jersey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,013
Images: 4
Re: Climate Change

Quote:
Originally Posted by goboatingnow View Post
Surely its just an additional sales tax. In Europe 60 % of the fuel cost is tax. Believe me its implement- able

Dave
and it's where "free" healthcare comes from .
David_Old_Jersey is offline  
Old 12-08-2013, 12:43   #313
Armchair Bucketeer
 
David_Old_Jersey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,013
Images: 4
Re: Climate Change

Quote:
Originally Posted by sneuman View Post

It's striking. While correlation does not automatically imply causation, this is strong anecdotal evidence that lower infant mortality rates equal lower birth rates. So, if that's true (and I think it is), providing good, accessible, primary health care is the most effective solution to the population problem.
In some parts of the World that'll be called Socialism , in others Civilisation.........gotta also remember that in some parts of the world it's only a baby before being born - afterwards it is an unwelcome expense.
David_Old_Jersey is offline  
Old 12-08-2013, 13:04   #314
Senior Cruiser
 
Ocean Girl's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: In transit ( Texas to wherever the wind blows us)
Boat: Pacific Seacraft a Crealock 34
Posts: 4,115
Images: 2
Re: Climate Change

Before this get closed, thought I'd post my 2cents ( again)



glacier retreat

Something is going down, wether its our fault or not.
__________________
Mrs. Rain Dog~Ocean Girl
https://raindogps34.wordpress.com
Ocean Girl is offline  
Old 12-08-2013, 13:33   #315
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Switzerland
Boat: So many boats to choose from. Would prefer something that is not an AWB, and that is beachable...
Posts: 1,242
Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61 View Post

The 2 centuries is bullshit.. in the UK at least.. and the reforestation has been mainly pines which acidify the soil.. barely over zero on the natural timbers like Oak etc... but then pines grow so fast and make great profits..
The UK (and most Western European countries) had basically no forest left by the mid of the 19th century. That's one reason for building ships from steel...
Forest cover has increased dramatically since then. And not just pines, as I can see on my walks.

Quote:
. in the meantime we can play the futures market and screw the Third World.. Keep em down.. Keep em poor..
Come the Famine... Fortress Europe/USA has the fertile land and stuff the rest... and you wonder why folk want to blow you up..
If the aim is to keep poor countries poor then we are failing miserably...
__________________

__________________
K_V_B is offline  
Closed Thread

Tags
Climate Change, Global Warming

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:04.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.