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Old 26-03-2015, 08:35   #136
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Re: Boating Pet Peeves

Oh....yeah!
I have a second pet peeve.
Why the hell are marine products in tin containers?
Varnishes, epoxies etc?
They rust and spring leaks in their tin containers.

I have a locker that is sealed so should I have a fluid leak or spill it won't make it to the bilge.
I have thinner and acetone that came in plastic containers.
Am I missing something?
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Old 26-03-2015, 08:42   #137
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What do you feed a pet peeve on a boat? And how do you train a peeve not to poo on the deck?


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Old 26-03-2015, 08:43   #138
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Oh....yeah!
I have a second pet peeve.
Why the hell are marine products in tin containers?
Varnishes, epoxies etc?
They rust and spring leaks in their tin containers.

I have a locker that is sealed so should I have a fluid leak or spill it won't make it to the bilge.
I have thinner and acetone that came in plastic containers.
Am I missing something?
Yup. It's known as "planned obsolescence". Thus, Tupperware containers have many uses.
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Old 26-03-2015, 09:12   #139
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People who anesthetize fish with perfectly good alcohol.
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Old 26-03-2015, 09:30   #140
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My new pet peeve is boaters who keep alive a stupid item about lobster pots by making threatening posts.
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Subtle and simple yet very funny. I like it
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Old 26-03-2015, 09:34   #141
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You don't seem very adept at knowing how to make friends.


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No comment, other than "Live Free or Die".
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Old 26-03-2015, 09:44   #142
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People who "know it all" and belittle anyone who disagrees with them.
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Old 26-03-2015, 10:07   #143
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No comment, other than "Live Free or Die".
Not sure where the joke, jab, insult, or whitty retort is in that one but i'll amuse you.......HA HA good one

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People who "know it all" and belittle anyone who disagrees with them.
Ahhhh behold the powers of the internet. Instant telephone (read forum) tough guys since Al Gore created the almight WWW.
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Old 26-03-2015, 21:25   #144
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Psneeld, that link may convince me to give crimping another chance. The main reason I solder is that I'm snobby, and most crimps I see on boats have been done poorly, like the quick disconnects in the bilge, wrapped in electrical tape, that disintegrated in my hand when I unwrapped the tape. Those bad crimps just made me stay away from all crimps.
To get a good mechanical connection, i splay the wires, mesh them, then twist, followed with a tight wire wrap. Only then is it solder time! The biggest peeve in this process is forgetting to slide shrink on first as that connection doesn't come undone easily!


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Old 26-03-2015, 22:03   #145
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Psneeld, that link may convince me to give crimping another chance. The main reason I solder is that I'm snobby, and most crimps I see on boats have been done poorly, like the quick disconnects in the bilge, wrapped in electrical tape, that disintegrated in my hand when I unwrapped the tape. Those bad crimps just made me stay away from all crimps.
To get a good mechanical connection, i splay the wires, mesh them, then twist, followed with a tight wire wrap. Only then is it solder time! The biggest peeve in this process is forgetting to slide shrink on first as that connection doesn't come undone easily!


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I see both sides of the coin....I can see the benefits and reasons for one way or the other or both in some circumstances.

I think Excide battery has an interesting article on soldering to reduce high resistance connections. While not 100% of what I believe...it does have some interesting info.

Too many don't fully understand why soldering is mentioned in sort of a negative way by ABYC and others.
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If you're in the middle of nowhere, fine.

I sail on SF Bay. I monitor 16, 14 for VTS, 12 for shipping outside the Gate, sometime 09 for other traffic and sometimes a working channel for a race or a cruise.
Understood. And if I lived in SF I'd probably do something similar. But I don't. I live in a place where there might me a half dozen VHFs on within range at any given time. We pretty much all know each other. We're all on 16. So for someone from someplace else to come into our local radio area and start trying to turn it into something that sounds like the harbor of a US city is a pet peeve.

Another one is people using languages other than English for long discussions on 16.
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quick disconnects in the bilge, wrapped in electrical tape, that disintegrated in my hand when I unwrapped the tape.
Which is one of my pet peeves, electrical tape on a boat or anywhere for that matter. It is guaranteed to turn into a gooey mess after a while, especially in the bilge.




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Psneeld, that link may convince me to give crimping another chance. The main reason I solder is that I'm snobby, and most crimps I see on boats have been done poorly,
So you see a poorly done crimp and use that to condemn crimping in general? As Spock would say, that is not logical. I've seen plenty of poorly done solder joints so should I condemn all soldering?

A crimp connection done properly with adhesive lined heat shrink will last as long as the boat. And of course any connection in the bilge should never be a quick connect but only a completely sealed butt connection.

I had a friend many years ago that was in the Navy and was some variety of electrician. He told me that the Navy used unsoldered crimps in wiring. Now that was 40 years ago and it is possible things have changed but I doubt it. So if crimping is good enough for the US Navy I think it's good enough for me.
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Lobster pots in the mooring field!
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I think it's easier to do a bad crimp than it is to do a bad solder join, as amateurs don't often tackle solder but love to crimp. If you don't tug on your crimp to test it, it could be bad, but a bad solder is evident just by looking at it.
I have used crimps in my car, and now would consider them in the boat as well.


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I think it's easier to do a bad crimp than it is to do a bad solder join, as amateurs don't often tackle solder but love to crimp.
I would say that it's easier to do a good crimp (IF you use a good crimping tool and not the cheapo junk that comes with the little kits from Walmart or the autoparts store) than it is to do a good solder joint.




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a bad solder is evident just by looking at it.
Evident if you know what to look for but a cold solder joint might not be obvious to someone that doesn't understand the process.
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