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Old 22-01-2009, 08:11   #106
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Shareholders own the media since the vast majority are publicly traded. Corporate culture is not necessarily conservative or liberal. It really depends on the corporation. Media outlets donate to both the Republicans and the Democrats with a little more going to the Democrats. The vast majority of reporters are Democrats.


The bottom line is you cannot label all media outlets as liberal or conservative. There is quite a spectrum. I like that there are differences. Choice is good.
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Old 22-01-2009, 08:14   #107
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I am sure he will be a very good President, but people seem IMO opinion, to think he is going to single headedly create world peace and stamp out hunger in his first few days in office.
Of course even if he succeeds (which I hope he does), we'll all die during the last month of his first term anyways. (2012, Nostrodomaus, Mayans, etc...)

One more reason to go sailing and forget about it all.
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LOL I think we need a new profit, Nostrodamaus and those dern Mayans are messing with my 5 year plan.

On a very positive note. If Obama is the President we all hope he is, everything should be much improved worldwide in those same 5 years.
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I think the Mayans predicted the fall of their civilization some 800 years after it actually did fall. BTW, thank you, we're very proud of this. One neat thing to note for all of the sceptics is that he raised his political campaign funds through more than 2 million donations averaging less than $100. As opposed to others whose campaign was funded early and funded well by large companies or well connected unions. I think we have perhaps the smartest person in politics running this country and perhaps the most cool headed. He met this past week with conservative columnists, republican leaders, etc. a far cry from the past administrations on both sides of the isle.
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Some sources of news/information should be considered, and some dismissed. Here are my quick (zeroth order) non-partisan rules of news consideration.

Dismissable if;
1. There is shouting involved. Volume doesn't convince.
2. If it's a think-tank. TT's are not interested in finding truth, only in defending a position (usually the one held by the TT's funders).
3. Using cutesy nick-names to refer to a person or group (i.e. "libs" "Fox Noise" "Dubya" "Obamination").

FWIW
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schoonerdog, thats a great point, grassroots fundraising is much more honest and worthy IMO than giant donations from corperations and interest groups.

Don't get me wrong, I have great hope for Obama, but I know he has a huge challenge ahead of him and won't be too dissapointed if does not live up to the hype. If he does half as much good as is expected, he will still be doing wonders.
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The vociferous misrepresentation of the “estimated” costs of his recent inauguration doesn’t bode well for President Barack Obama’s relationship with the right-wing media, and those of the public who accept such blatant propaganda.

If the same cost factors are accounted (including security & clean-up), it will likely turn out that Obama’ inauguration will have cost LESS to accommodate over 2 million attendees, than Bush’s did to accommodate about 1/4 million attendees.

I encourage everyone to think critically about what they are told, and to seek multiple sources of factual information and alternative opinions (and to discern the difference between them).
Multiple sources???,,,No...that makes too much sense. How would people be able to criticize the man? Please, don't confuse them with the facts. They'd have to pull their heads out of the sand.
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Having voted for my hero, fellow sailor and fellow Viet vet I still have hope for our new President. I haven't felt this kind of hope in at least 16 years.

So far I like what he's done except for his choices of high level cabinet positions. Hopefully they'll not be there long enough to cause too much damage.

It will be so interesting to see what has taken place after his first 180 days in office.

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P. S. What kind of boat does he own? I'd guess none.
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The media is always on the opposite side of the way you vote isn't it?

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BTW, the line of succession puts Hillary in 4th position, not second:

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President pro tempore of the Senate (Byrd)
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WHOA NOW STREEP!!! Please dont bring honest to God FACTS into this discussion! You are WAYYYYY out of line here. Please don't ruffle the ostrich!

BTW, I sincerely hope Obama doesn't own a boat of any type. He's gonna be way too busy to daydream about cruising for a while. Leave that up to me, and I'll take him out for a day sail whenever he's got the time.
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Like I've said, there should be no politics that are not boating related in this forum...

BTW, the line of succession puts Hillary in 4th position, not second:

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Speaker of the House (Pelosi)
President pro tempore of the Senate (Byrd)
Secretary of State (Hillary)
I agree with the boating angle.

Do Hillary an Bill have a boat. If not what would they have?

It does seem that Bill really, really enjoys sailing. Looks like a woody wooden boat kind of guy.
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Ex-Calif, that picture is AWESOME! Here, have a cigar!
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Having voted for my hero, fellow sailor and fellow Viet vet I still have hope for our new President. I haven't felt this kind of hope in at least 16 years...
I had to laugh at the election joke: “Vote for John McCain ... he's crashed* 5 jets, why not the country?”

Although McCain graduated from the Naval Acedmy (894th out of a class of 899), I wouldn't call him a sailor.

* Not really
FactCheck.org: Did McCain crash five planes? Did he cause the 1967 Forrestal fire?
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We are at least starting to get some clear ideas on how the Obama administration is going to act and where their priorities lie....

Check out this video.






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Having voted for my hero, fellow sailor and fellow Viet vet I still have hope for our new President. I haven't felt this kind of hope in at least 16 years.

So far I like what he's done except for his choices of high level cabinet positions. Hopefully they'll not be there long enough to cause too much damage.

It will be so interesting to see what has taken place after his first 180 days in office.

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P. S. What kind of boat does he own? I'd guess none.
You don't mean the Secretary of State do you??? He he he
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