Sales / Use Tax enforcement on East Coast

[gettinthere]

Originally Posted by cnj

and we had to prove we registered the boat in another state

Are you saying the state of florida asked for proof of registration in another state?
If so, I would guess that florida was going to require you to register in their state if you hadn't proved you registered in RI. And they would have taxed you 6%.

I suspect it will be hard to not register in any state.

Del, RI & NH do not tax the sale of boats. Look into registering there. But if you are not a resident of the state you register in, there may be other complications. If you decide to become a resident of the registration state, then you get hit with income taxes! NH only taxes interest & dividends...

[Pblais]

Are you saying the state of Florida asked for proof of registration in another state?

Don't confuse registration with taxes. A US Documented Boat can never be state registered (it would be a federal crime to attempt to do so) so registration alone means absolutely nothing as far as taxes. Where the boat is and where you use it does mean far more.

In the case of FL you need to prove you left the state before the time period expires or it is assumed you owe the money. Dated receipts have generally been enough. It's a case where it is only because of how long the boat was in the state under your ownership that matters.

[ssullivan]

Originally Posted by Pblais

Don't confuse registration with taxes. A US Documented Boat can never be state registered (it would be a federal crime to attempt to do so) so registration alone means absolutely nothing as far as taxes.

WHOA!!! I have never heard of this before. Paul is right about everything I've ever seen him post, which makes me nervous here. My home state has a provision for registering your federally documented vessel and demands state registration for federally documented vessels.

Does anyone know if this varies from state to state? My state REQUIRED me to commit a federal crime, based on what Paul as posted here.

[Fishspearit]

Florida also requires you to register your Federally Documented boat in the state. If you keep it here your only other option is to pay 6% use tax every year. Well, that's what seems to be getting enforced, I don't know that it's the law.

[Pblais]

Florida also requires you to register your Federally Documented boat in the state.

It's not registration. Registration is to certify title. You can only do that in one place with the state or with the USCG. Many states have assorted taxes or stickers but it's not to register a title. Owing taxes has nothing to do with the title.

As for FL if the boat is there when the clock ticks down it won't matter where you register it or where you call home - you owe the tax money.

[donradcliffe]

I subscribe to the 'keep moving' theory, and have never had to pay taxes on the big boat... its documented with a home port in California, but since I kept it out of Calif for a year I have a nice letter from them exempting it from use tax.

HOWEVER,
My dinghy was bought in Australia in 2001, and running it around the east coast US without a registration sticker is like waving red flags at bulls. Idecided to register itin Calif, but their form said I had to swear that the dinghy was IN Calif, so I put it off. I had no problems in Florida, SC or MD, but was finally pulled over in Rhode Island. Their attitude was that since the big boat was not foreign registered, the dinghy had to have registration in some state, and they were doing me a big favor by not fining me. Rhode Island registration was easy for a non-resident as long as the boat was in RI, but the guy behind the counter spent 20 minutes on the phone with the state tax man before giving up on sales tax.

[gettinthere]

Already posted earlier on this thread, by Tao:

"IS A DOCUMENTED VESSEL EXEMPT FROM STATE JURISDICTION?

No, all documented vessels must comply with the laws of the state in which they are operated. The vessel's document must be shown to state law enforcement personnel upon their demand. States may require documented vessels to be registered (but not numbered) and to display state decals showing that they have complied with state requirements."


"STATES MAY REQUIRE DOCUMENTED VESSELS TO BE REGISTERED"

[Fishspearit]

It's not registration. Registration is to certify title. You can only do that in one place with the state or with the USCG

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Pblais, Registration and certifying the title ARE two different things. Florida DOES require you to register your documented boat. But you are correct, you do not recertify the title if it is already documented. I think you have some confusion over the definition of registration. Everything is explained on this page from the state of FL
Facts For Florida Vessel Owners

[cnj]

[quote=gettinthere;108385]Are you saying the state of florida asked for proof of registration in another state?
If so, I would guess that florida was going to require you to register in their state if you hadn't proved you registered in RI. And they would have taxed you 6%.



Yes, FL requires proof of registration in another state. My boat is Coast Guard Documented so technically you don't need state registration, but it was cheaper doing so to avoid paying FL (I also DO live in RI and not FL!)

[hellosailor]

PB-
While motor vehicle titling is now normally tied to vehicle registration, bear in mind there are still plenty of pre-1972 boats, pre-HIN, and not all states tied the titling and registration processs together until perhaps the 90's. So, a state issueed motor vehicle title (boat or car) may or may not still be tied to the registration. I'm sure there are some odd things still out there.

Like California, where license plates are sold with the car, versus "most" states where the plates are never transferred to another owner. Or Florida--where you can only get one license plate, for the rear, and they won't even sell you one for the front if you ask for it!

I asked a clerk about this just yesterday, I said "so if I wanted to see who was about to hit me, before I was run over and unconcious, there's no way to do that, huh? I can only get the plate number while they're running away after?" We were both smiling at the time, she knew I was joking but the terribly oddity of their laws did strike her when seen that way.

Boats, cars, trains, planes....Render unto Caeser! He's just got too many guys with skirts and sharp swords, and the combination seems to keep them tempermental.<G>

[Chief Engineer]

as there is no provision for "resetting" the clock in Maryland

Originally Posted by sv_makai

It is not just the law enforcement folks checking the boats, in DC and VA (where there is annual property taxes) there are docks walkers who just use the time they stroll the docks to look for boats docked long term in an area and pass the info on.

In MD where our boat is docked you have 90 days to visit in the Bay before moving on. Some cruisers just go an spend some time in VA and then back up the Bay which resets the clock.

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