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Old 27-09-2008, 10:26   #16
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Old 27-09-2008, 11:20   #17
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It's a conundrum. If you buy one of the more popular boats; Beneteau, Catalina, Island Packet and of course the more expensive ones, you will be able to sell easier but spend a lot more money. If you buy a well cared for less popular model you can save a lot of initial investment, but take longer to sell. Try to pay 30% less than asking price... this also depends on popularity. DOnt underestimate outfitting. If a boat has a lot of equiptment that will save a lot IF the equipment isnt too old. A boat loaded with old equipment should really not be worth much more than a sparsly equipped boat. Of course anchors, windlasses, stoves etc are an exception, that stuff usually works for a long time... but is that 200 ft pile of chain all rusty at the bottom? Is the fridge an old R12 unit? etc. Also be careful about older boats with low engine hours, not running an engine much is often worse than it getting used more often in the marine environment. Figure 1.5 years to resell and about 25% less than the broker tells you to list it at... agin depending on the popularity of the boat and economy. Should be a great time to buy a boat right now.
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Old 27-09-2008, 14:20   #18
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...Try to pay 30% less than asking price... this also depends on popularity. DOnt underestimate outfitting. If a boat has a lot of equiptment that will save a lot IF the equipment isnt too old. A boat loaded with old equipment should really not be worth much more than a sparsly equipped boat. Of course anchors, windlasses, stoves etc are an exception, that stuff usually works for a long time...
Actually, for most owner installed equipment, I DEDUCT value.
It's going to cost me time & money to make things right, & update any obsolete gear.
My ideal used boat, had a timid PO, afraid to add or modify ANYTHING. The boat may be old & slightly worn, but otherwise in factory condition.
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Old 27-09-2008, 21:19   #20
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That sounds like my Ericson

The previous owner didn't add a thing except a vhf radio.

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Actually, for most owner installed equipment, I DEDUCT value.
It's going to cost me time & money to make things right, & update any obsolete gear.
My ideal used boat, had a timid PO, afraid to add or modify ANYTHING. The boat may be old & slightly worn, but otherwise in factory condition.
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Old 28-09-2008, 11:48   #21
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Well... there are a lot of sloppy boat workers out there too, but I agree that sometimes the perfect boat is a bare bones boat if you are capable of adding the things you want.
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Old 04-10-2008, 22:50   #22
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If you go to www.yachtworld.com and put in your criteria then you will come up with hundereds of boats, a good monohull in the Beneteau, and some good multi's (which offer twice the space of a similar sized mono) are, Gemini 105Mc, Manta, Leopard, and several others that i don't remember the company names at the moment.
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I happened to be reading liveaboard thread. Is your Catalina still for sale?
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Hi Matthew Welcome aboard,
You have come to a good place for advice and information they are generally a good lot here.
Little Otter has good advice you can find all sorts at yachtworld.
The advice we give here is based on the boats we have sailed and own and to some extent we all think our own boat is one of the best.
You don't say if you are on your own or have crew, if you are solo bear in mind that a big boat is harder to manage on your own, personally I wouldn't go bigger than 34' unless you were looking at a multihull (for serious offshore sailing in a multihull I don't think it is safe to sail in anything under 40'). My own boat a Vancouver 27' was circumnavigated singlehanded 1990 to 1993 I know that's small but if you are on your own you don't need a lot of space to be confortable. In England my boat is described as 'Cozy'. Again in my opinion I would go for something a bit heavier with a longish keel or perhaps a cat as cats are generally much faster.
I wish you all the very best, just do it, go as soon as you can.
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Please elaborate on "seeing some somalian pirates"... we intend to one day transit the Suez canal and would like any information on the Somalian pirates around the area. I have read all the other feeds on the topic on this forum and others but would like to hear some first hand experience.
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Pandie,

I presume you are referring to my post about our Catalina 42. We have withdrawn it from the market. Major life changes are in our near future, and preclude buying the larger boat we had planned on. That's deferred for now. We actually love our boat, and will enjoy it for the next couple of years, then we'll see.
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mate you dont mention anything about your sailing experience, have you sailed a 40ft boat solo before?
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Old 27-11-2008, 06:35   #28
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I'm looking for a quality sailboat and would like recommendations on a good manufacturer. Something used in the 40' range. My budget is 90-150K, reasonable? (I was looking at Jeanneau's and Beneteau's)

It’s sufficient if you can avoid some pitfalls. The lines you mention build mostly coastal cruisers which is suitable for all the locations you plan to go to, short of doing the transatlantic to get to the med. The tradeoff is not being so well suited for bluewaters is that they are more spacious and airy.

As for costs and such, keep in mind maintenance costs tend to be more and more frequent than land based dwellings. So I would take the amount you project you’ll be able to buy and cut in by 30% to 50%. This way you won’t be strapped if you get a rip in your dodger or need to buy new lines. 80k with 50k in repairs and refits would not be a bad start, you might be able to do better if you know what you’re doing.

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I plan to live aboard for a while and keep to the waters of the east coast. Until I feel comfortable to venture out (Caribbean, South America, and eventually the Mediterranean) I admit I don't know much, but I'm eager and willing to learn.

That sounds like good plan. Since you mentioned you don’t know much, I am going to assume that includes sailing. If that’s the case take some lessons. It will be money well spent and you might be able to work it through the local MWR. Once that happens, crew on every boat you can. You’ll learn a lot, including what models you like.

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Yes, I've heard owning a boat is like throwing money overboard. But I also heard that some quality boats hold their value if well maintained and upgraded regularly.

Both are true. Owning a boat is like renting an apartment where you had to put down a HUGE security fee.
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Itís sufficient if you can avoid some pitfalls. The lines you mention build mostly coastal cruisers which is suitable for all the locations you plan to go to, short of doing the transatlantic to get to the med. The tradeoff is not being so well suited for bluewaters is that they are more spacious and airy.

As for costs and such, keep in mind maintenance costs tend to be more and more frequent than land based dwellings. So I would take the amount you project youíll be able to buy and cut in by 30% to 50%. This way you wonít be strapped if you get a rip in your dodger or need to buy new lines. 80k with 50k in repairs and refits would not be a bad start, you might be able to do better if you know what youíre doing.


That sounds like good plan. Since you mentioned you donít know much, I am going to assume that includes sailing. If thatís the case take some lessons. It will be money well spent and you might be able to work it through the local MWR. Once that happens, crew on every boat you can. Youíll learn a lot, including what models you like.


Both are true. Owning a boat is like renting an apartment where you had to put down a HUGE security fee.

Wow! Thanks for all the information, this helps a lot.
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