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Old 14-07-2015, 01:30   #1
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Sizing up for Hopping Ponds

Was wondering what size boat people would feel most comfortable [safe] in whilst doing a single-handed trans-pacific or atlantic go. I'm wanting to do so in a 27' but don't know if I'm underestimating the roughness, and overestimating my ability/how awesome the boat is.
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Old 14-07-2015, 02:33   #2
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Re: Sizing up for Hopping Ponds

An Albin Vega has a strong reputation for a small boat, but it is all going to depend on the budget. A large yacht needing lots of money spent on it isn't the solution either. It always comes down to a compromise.

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Funny enough your asking the right question but on the wrong subject..

Its more to do with what YOU feel is safe and comfortable..
Because until you feel safe and comfortable within yourself and of your abilities... every boat will seem unsafe... big or small..
All us lot can do is argue about it..

Old salts used to say 37ft was the perfect size.. nowadays that's considered small.
Happy with the 'Crumpled Look'.. 27ft is just fine..
Prefer the 'Yachtie Look'.. go bigger.. you'll need the wardrobe space..
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Re: Sizing up for Hopping Ponds

27 foot in the right boat is fine.... 50 foot wrong boat not fine...

As Boaty says it depends on how you want to look...and smell ...when you get to the other side.

A 25' Vertue or a 27' Vancouver good... a Hunter or Catalina of the same size maybe not so good...
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Old 14-07-2015, 09:22   #5
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Some very good discussion on this question in John Kretschmer's latest book - "Sailing a Serious Ocean." Would recommend book as a very informative and interesting read and there is a chapter on bluewater boats with his thoughts.
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I would add that a smaller boat is usually slower, requiring more food and water and fuel to come with you, meaning the performance (miles per day) drops, meaning you could be out there...forever. A larger boat (usually) has better payload and can usually beat to weather better, so in a smaller boat your routing can be different - you go with the winds and the currents more.
A larger boat gives more payload for tools and books and "mod cons" (modern conveniences) that just might mean the difference between your saying, "This is great! I really enjoy ocean sailing! and "I'm not enjoying this! Anyone wanna buy a boat?"
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Re: Sizing up for Hopping Ponds

Not all 27' boats are equal. You need to be more specific about which make/model.

Personally, I would suggest at least 30'....but 35' would be better.
How about a nice Pearson 35?
Or here's a nice Pearson 365 Ketch, ready to go:
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Asking price is $44k cdn... bet you could get it for $30k US.

Here's a Niagara 35, a tried and true blue water cruiser, for $29k cdn (or $20k us):
http://torontoyachtsales.com/boat_listing.php?id=57
Its also fully equipped and ready to go south.

With old boats at great prices...why do you want to cross on a smaller boat...is it a personal challenge? If its about the $$$, then a well equipped 27 will cost about the same as a well equipped 35, as shown above.

Also, which pond are you thinking of...the trade wind route from the canaries to the caribbean is easier than most other crossings.
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I would add that a smaller boat is usually slower, requiring more food and water and fuel to come with you
And less space to stow it all!
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Go and searboats.

Ph.ch for Mingming on the net. Will give you a good clue about small
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Sorry guys,
my laptop has a strange idea of constructing sentences...

I meant: Go on the Net and search for Mingming. Will give you a good pic what can be done with a small boat.

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To me a 27' boat is just a bit too small. Just too little room for the stuff you need. I would say 32' is the smallest size you can be semi-comfortable on. 35' is better yet...then the boat starts to get too big.

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Was wondering what size boat people would feel most comfortable [safe] in whilst doing a single-handed trans-pacific or atlantic go. I'm wanting to do so in a 27' but don't know if I'm underestimating the roughness, and overestimating my ability/how awesome the boat is.
Hmmm, I know I am going to get crucified for saying this, but probably the biggest "bang for the buck" in the "safe" - and maybe comfort - category would be to add a person as crew.
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Here's a Niagara 35, a tried and true blue water cruiser, for $29k cdn (or $20k us):
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Its also fully equipped and ready to go south.

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That is a killer deal. I paid $55k for that same year and model of Niagara but my motor wasn't as nice. Good find for somebody. They're great boats.
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Was wondering what size boat people would feel most comfortable [safe] in whilst doing a single-handed trans-pacific or atlantic go. I'm wanting to do so in a 27' but don't know if I'm underestimating the roughness, and overestimating my ability/how awesome the boat is.
In its' basic form this question probably comes up about weekly. For the most part people who have a 27' boat now will say 35' is as big as can be handled, while those with 40' boats now tend to say around 50'.

How far have you sailed on a 27' boat already and what was it?

To me it would be a 40-50' boat. Less than 40' not enough comfort and storage, more than 50' too much un-needed space for me. But that is based on sailing and living on the boat. If just long sailing as long as the boat is setup to single hand the larger the better far as just "more comfortable/safer".
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