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Old 22-10-2012, 22:02   #61
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I was a Boy Scout back in the '50's.
The motto was (and still is) "Be Prepared".

Duh !?
And it's still true today, as well.
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Not often I run across someone that actually gets what Marx espoused.

"know thy enemy"......................
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Not often I run across someone that actually gets what Marx espoused.

Extremely rare. That would require actually reading. And more than just "The Communist Manifesto".
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Old 23-10-2012, 00:14   #64
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macarthy eat you hear out,ya got red's under the bed!!!!!!
Keep 'em scared, easier to control and unite that wayl!



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My fear, like that of Asterix ... is that the sky will fall on my head before I get to our boat.
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The SHTF scenario has almost happened here in Greece and some people are already making huge changes to their lifestyle. Unemployment is now over 25% and for the under 30's its over 50%.

There was a couple living in a tent and a straw shelter on a beachfront plot in the last bay we anchored in. The bloke (architect) had lost his job last year. In May they moved to this fairly barren island and established a huge vegetable garden that they live off, supplementing this with fresh octopus. I was treated to a sight every day as the lean muscular bloke bent over naked and bashed the octopus to tenderise it . They had a small black plastic water tank. No power. Tent and straw shack with a permanent umbrella on the beach. Only one bucket I think. Really back to basics, but with little to complicate their lives they spent a huge chunk of it tending to the garden, swimming and lying naked under the beach brolly and reading. They were fit and happy and said life was much better than it had ever been on the mainland. Winter may have them thinking differently!
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The SHTF scenario has almost happened here in Greece and some people are already making huge changes to their lifestyle. Unemployment is now over 25% and for the under 30's its over 50%.

There was a couple living in a tent and a straw shelter on a beachfront plot in the last bay we anchored in. The bloke (architect) had lost his job last year. In May they moved to this fairly barren island and established a huge vegetable garden that they live off, supplementing this with fresh octopus. I was treated to a sight every day as the lean muscular bloke bent over naked and bashed the octopus to tenderise it . They had a small black plastic water tank. No power. Tent and straw shack with a permanent umbrella on the beach. Only one bucket I think. Really back to basics, but with little to complicate their lives they spent a huge chunk of it tending to the garden, swimming and lying naked under the beach brolly and reading. They were fit and happy and said life was much better than it had ever been on the mainland. Winter may have them thinking differently!
Really sad what the Eurozone has done to the Greek people and my heart goes out to those folks.
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My main concern is that not enough thought (and action) will be put into how things proceed in the future - whilst I am a confirmed capitalist, I don't like bowing down to anything....and that includes "the market".....IMO time for the tail to stop wagging the dog .[/QUOTE]
Why not get a big gun and shoot the dog
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A lot of the allure to sailing is being relatively independent and far from the maddening crowd.

While we can never be truly self sufficient we can be far more so than most. I find joy in that.

It is a side benefit that it also prepares you to better survive some calamities that afflict the herd.
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I'm a Marxist from the Sociological perspective. My field of study is behavioral sciences and Philosophy. I'm a Conflict/Contract Theorist.
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Extremely rare. That would require actually reading. And more than just "The Communist Manifesto".
Das Kapital is my favorite.
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Leaving aside Eurozone nonsense and misinformed Greece theories. Both will survive and prosper in time.

A small boat in my mind is the last place to be in a theoretical SHTF. ( mind you I find the whole pepper ideology absurd and comical )

Firstly on a boat you are only " independent" for a very short time, you need food, technical resources, equipment replacement, all that needs a functioning society. Equally you need a place where you are " welcome" appearing from the sea as a stranger is not a good gig.

Secondly hoarding things that other people need , only works when the law is upheld. Ultimately the greater force of numbers will take 'it' from you . ( whatever 'it' is). This is the experience of history. The "it" can be your food, that grain your hoarding or the boat itself.
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How the Greek Debt Crisis works !



It is a slow day in a little Greek Village.

The rain is beating down and the streets are deserted. Times are tough. Everybody is in debt. Everybody lives on credit.
On this particular day a rich German tourist is driving through the village. He stops at the local hotel and lays a 100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night.

The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs, the hotelier grabs the 100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.

The butcher takes the 100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer.

The pig farmer takes the 100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel.

The guy at the Farmers' Co-op takes the 100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the taverna.

The publican slips the money along to the local prostitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him "services" on credit.

The hooker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the 100 note.

The hotel proprietor then places the 100 note back on the counter so the rich traveller will not suspect anything.
At that moment the traveller comes down the stairs, picks up the 100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town.


No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole village is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism. And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how the bailout package works!
Brilliant except...

Butcher receives E100 in income and gov wants 30% tax
Pig farmer receives E100 in income and gov wants 30% tax
Publican receives E100 in income and gov wants 30% tax
Prostitute doesn't report income
Hotelier receives E100 in income and gov wants 30% in tax

So tourist arrives with E100 and the government wants to collect E120 from the community.

And that's how governments work.
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Brilliant except...

Butcher receives E100 in income and gov wants 30% tax
Pig farmer receives E100 in income and gov wants 30% tax
Publican receives E100 in income and gov wants 30% tax
Prostitute doesn't report income
Hotelier receives E100 in income and gov wants 30% in tax

So tourist arrives with E100 and the government wants to collect E120 from the community.

And that's how governments work.

Sales tax in Greece is 30%? No wonder they have a problem...
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Brilliant except...

Butcher receives E100 in income and gov wants 30% tax
Pig farmer receives E100 in income and gov wants 30% tax
Publican receives E100 in income and gov wants 30% tax
Prostitute doesn't report income
Hotelier receives E100 in income and gov wants 30% in tax

So tourist arrives with E100 and the government wants to collect E120 from the community.

And that's how governments work.
While both posts bring a smile to the cheek , neither are of course true.

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