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Old 15-07-2012, 06:56   #76
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Re: Security. What do You Do?

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Yes. But mostly from folks with bigger boats. bigger guns. and uniforms.

Some countries can be a little funny about stuff like that.
So that'd almost be a good thing, police/naval escort through arguably dodgy areas and roughneck types it may just be enough for those checking me out through bino's to second think a further look.


Would they really ping me for what is obviously a pile of PVC pipe?

I'm not contemplating it but I am interested
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So that'd almost be a good thing, police/naval escort through arguably dodgy areas and roughneck types it may just be enough for those checking me out through bino's to second think a further look.


Would they really ping me for what is obviously a pile of PVC pipe?

I'm not contemplating it but I am interested
Would they really? I dunno - it's a you first scenario (especially thinking somewhere like Indonesia)....just as much the vessel looking military (and not there own!) as about the "gun"......for some places would be the same as parking a tank outside the White House - it being a pretend tank not really being the point. or mattering greatly .
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Re: Security. What do You Do?

I'm glad people are talking about all these dangerous places. Now I know where not to sail! GOOD GRIEF!!!... I have no interest in staying where I need to arm myself to the teeth. I think I'll stick to the Pacific where it is relatively safe...Well if you don't count the time the German cruiser was killed and eaten in the Marquesas...
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Immediately shoot them twice in the head with your Ruger P89 (or similar weapon). This will immediately eliminate the threat.
Now here is a person that doesn't know what he is talking about...
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Re: Security. What do You Do?

Without revealing the whole of one's security system to public scrutiny, it's safe to acknowledge the value of wide angle (120 degree, low light) CCTV cameras. Three of them mounted in a wheel of plywood and mounted in an appropriate location, provide 360 degree vision. For more money you can have greater zero light range, but you have to add additional cameras due to the field of view issues. A really nice addition is a multichannel recorder with DVR, allowing one to hand out copies of DVDs to neighbors and authorities. And, best of all, all of this stuff is 12 volts DC. It has been quite handy in resolving some local issues where folks claim not having been involved in certain activities.

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Re: Security. What do You Do?

Without revealing the whole of one's security system to public scrutiny, it's safe to acknowledge the value of wide angle (120 degree, low light) CCTV cameras. Three of them mounted in a wheel of plywood and mounted in an appropriate location, provide 360 degree vision. For more money you can have greater zero light range, but you have to add additional cameras due to the field of view issues. A really nice addition is a multichannel recorder with DVR, allowing one to hand out copies of DVDs to neighbors and authorities. And, best of all, all of this stuff is 12 volts DC. It has been quite handy in resolving some local issues where folks claim not having been involved in certain activities.

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Re: Security. What do You Do?

Gosh I can't figure out all this fancy stuff!! I just have to stick with my dogs and my bright lights that I leave on all night!! and the barred hatch way! and then my flare guns! its worked for a long time !! We don't have a fancy looking boat and sure don't have fancy clothing or jewlery!! LOL(lucky to have a timex) unless there looking for food they would not get to much !!we do have a safe that no one has ever found includeing the USCG!! LOL (not much there eitherLOL) We have anchored in lots of BAD Places over the years and never had trouble so far!! if it looks to bad or if we hear its bad we don't go there !! we have been in Rio D and had nothing but fun !! same thing thruout Mexico and Panama! I think it has a lot to do with the looks of both the boat and the sailors !! just our two cents
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Re: Security. What do You Do?

Our attitude here is:

- keep nothing of irreplaceable value on the boat,
- do not go places where there is known trouble.

I think the worst things to happen would be if the whole boat got stolen ... (yes, this happens too!).

At times, the 'do not go' policy does not apply either: we had to go via Panama to get to the Pacific, we also sailed via Brazil (next time we will not touch there).

As for the original list, I think in every boat a locker can be built that is completely impossible to find for anybody breaking in. It can hold the credit cards, the cash and crews'/boat's papers. If you get robbed somewhere, at least you can depart from the messy state.

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Re: Security. What do You Do?

In a locker when we bought our boat there were some alarm locks, they consist of a wire cable you thread through a bike's wheel or dinghy's outboard also wrapping around a fixed object and locking.
If the wire is cut or broken the alarm goes off, wouldn't work in the Bronx i guess as they'd probably take the tree as well, but a good item nonetheless...
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How bout we all hire a X- Pirate for a night guard !! Ya know the kind !With a big beard and well armed but a local ya know ?? just a thought

I'm for hire...

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Now here is a person that doesn't know what he is talking about...
DeepFrz, you are absolutely right. The chest is a bigger target.
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Re: Security. What do You Do?

Lucky Larry noted "The chest is a bigger target." ==> Which is true, but with inexpensive vests relatively common (even I have a IIA - unfortunately in CA since they, like guns, are illegal for me to possess here) I prefer a double tap to the base of the throat - doesn't move quickly like a head, and generally isn't covered by a vest you can't see (mine was designed to be worn under a shirt/suit coat so not obvious). I don't much worry about them here in the PI, but in the states any well equipped miscreant might well have one if they make a habit of home intrusion. In other places they might be legal and therefore a possible option - the problem is once again having enough time to 'vest up' before meeting unfriendly boarders. They really aren't that expensive though, $200-$400 for a light vest with additional kevlar trauma 'plate' which is likely proof against something up to a .357 magnum. Won't stop an AK round though (or a knife).
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Re: Security. What do You Do?

It seems irresistible for some members to turn a security thread into a gun thread. <sigh>

The most common security problem on cruising boats, BY FAR, is theft. Whether the thieves swim aboard or sneak aboard, in the middle of the night when sleeping or in the daylight when ashore, or dinghy theft, the crime is not usually intended to be confrontational. Therefore the way to avoid most crimes is to simply secure the boat and dinghy. And keep it secure at night when asleep. This needn't be anything elaborate, but will depend on the boat. In my case, Carina has a bridge deck so the companionway has a single (heavy plywood with hardwood backing) dropboard, fitted with a deadbolt. A twist of the knob unlocks the hatch, and removing the dropboard or simply climbing over it is fast and easy. I have always locked up at night, and on one occasion it prevented thieves from coming below (and the sound from the attempt woke me up). It is also resistant to force. I have seen so many boats with a hasp and padlock I just want to scream - it only takes a large screwdriver and a couple of seconds to open, and it provides no security when aboard.

I long ago got tired of waking in the middle of the night to close the overhead hatches when a rain squall passed, so there are two reasons to close them. It seems the main argument against locking up is the need for ventilation, which admittedly can be poor on modern boats. So fix the ventilation problem already - you will be glad you did.

I have tried the IR motion sensors in the cockpit, but gave up on them. They reliably went off at dawn, and unreliably as the boat would swing and the shoreside lights would come into view. Perhaps some of the newer technology Katiusha referred to would work better.

I always hoisted the dinghy and locked it and the outboard to the bulwarks. And when leaving Puerto de la Cruz, Venezuela, with my new dinghy and outboard I put the outboard to bed in a berth below until arriving in Trinidad - an extreme response to an extreme risk.

As for armed assaults, they are relatively few, and by avoiding the known danger areas the risk is pretty small. (And no, I won't be going back to Venezuela soon.) I suppose if I thought the risk all that great I wouldn't go cruising, which would be very sad indeed.

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Agree there i reckon OP's should have access to a delete post ability, Americans lean towards guns, Aussies, NZ'ers and Europeans don't.......

Pressure switches might also be the go.

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