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Old 04-01-2017, 06:38   #46
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I told my employer 6 years before that I was going to quit in 2016. No impact that I could see cause I was making lots of money for them. It took them 6 months to find a replacement. All worked out. Now I'm in the tropics on my boat.
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Old 04-01-2017, 10:07   #47
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I believe I have some insight into your comment about "danger".I have tried to help in that regard on the past. I think it's I'll advised. I have seen tragic results of helping someone obtain a position which they really desired but really weren't cut out for. It goes with the territory in the business. It's best to keep hands off. You won't be there to prevent the wreck and it will happen.
As far as the quitting goes it's about power relations. It might be possible to exit gracefully, it might not. This is America, "what part of I quit don't you understand?" There are also the immortal words of Johnny Paycheck. 😁
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I clearly understand the sentiment that if the company tends to give no notice to employees being laid off...
The thing is, I have never heard of a company giving "no notice" to employees being laid off, in the sense that they told them they were laid off, and immediately cut them loose completely. Sure, they might send the employee home that very day, but so what? In every case that I've heard of they have continued to pay the employee for at least two weeks, and often quite a bit longer.

I'm not sure it counts as "no notice" when you are still getting paid.

As to the comment about getting unemployment benefits, I would point out that you are generally not eligible for unemployment if you resign, retire, or are fired for cause.
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Sounds like you've already been extremely professional in letting them know in advance of your intentions, that's great. Giving them 2 weeks notice on a Friday afternoon is more than enough time regardless of what your job is or what the company has going on at the time. I highly recommend continuing to be as professional and helpful as possible, remember you are sailing off into the sunset...have them remember you as the guy that's "living the dream and left with a smile and did it the right way". Honestly anything longer than 2 weeks things are awkward for both sides trust me. Most likely if they are a well run organization they'll have you spend the next week tying up loose ends explaining where stuff is at to the replacement, wish you well, and then ask you to exit early so they can get on with business.

I like to use the football analogy of being the player that scores the big touchdown and instead of spiking the football and doing some crazy routine, he hands the football to the ref and acts like he's been there before. Congrats on your successful career and impending adventures!


My real world job is as VP Human Resources. This advice is spot on. Enjoy your retirement!
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So why give notice? What is minimum acceptable?
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I gave 4 months and it took them 3 to find a replacement. My wife gave 3 months and it took them 2.75 to find a replacement.

The best thing about giving your notice is that they can't give you any **** after that! If they do so just ...................... leave! It was a nice change in peace of mind.
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The thing is, I have never heard of a company giving "no notice" to employees being laid off, in the sense that they told them they were laid off, and immediately cut them loose completely. Sure, they might send the employee home that very day, but so what? In every case that I've heard of they have continued to pay the employee for at least two weeks, and often quite a bit longer.

I'm not sure it counts as "no notice" when you are still getting paid.

As to the comment about getting unemployment benefits, I would point out that you are generally not eligible for unemployment if you resign, retire, or are fired for cause.


Let me tell you how it is done, HR marches down with at least one other person and informs the employee they have been laid off, they are immediately required to get their vehicle and drive it around where their tool box will be loaded into it and they are required to leave the premises immediately and are told that they cannot return to the property without prior permission.
If they don't have a vehicle that can carry the tool box, the tool box is locked and secured and the employee is supposed to schedule an appointment to pick up their box.
They are paid two weeks pay, because we are paid two weeks behind, they also get any vacation pay due them cause I believe that is the law. No other pay.

I've tried telling the powers that be, that this is wrong, and in fact this is exactly how you get employees returning with firearms, but it falls on deaf ears.

Really, really odd thing is we have an outstanding 401K, and I can't figure out why, unless there is some kind of tax advantage or something. You crap on them one min, and take care of them the next, it's strange.
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Let me tell you how it is done...
This is when someone is laid off? Not fired? There is a difference, and a true "layoff" rarely involves just one person.

I have never heard of a company handling layoffs the way you described. Firings, yes, but layoffs, no.

When I was laid off a few years back, there were about 15 of us taken into a conference room (there were actually 7 or 8 such gatherings around the building at the same time). We were told we were being laid off, and each was given a package with details of what they would receive. The payout ranged from a low of, I believe, 4 weeks pay, up to a high of a full years worth of pay (I fell in between the extremes). We were then all sent back to our offices. Our managers were waiting with boxes so we could pack up any personal stuff. Our computers were already off, and our network access had already been shut down. Once our personal items were packed we said goodbye to everyone and our managers escorted us to the door.

Something very similar to this is the way most companies handle layoffs.

Now, I did work for a company some years back that handled it differently. During the lunch hour, when most everyone was out of the office, they shut off the ID-card access for everyone that was getting laid off. So as people came back in, if their ID-card didn't work, security would escort them into a nearby conference room. From there it was pretty much the same as what I described above. I was not caught in that layoff. I thought that way of doing it was pretty low-class. Partly for that reason, I quit that company a little while later.

The way your company does it is even worse. If I knew that was the way that a company handled layoffs, I would never accept a job from them in the first place.
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The way your company does it is even worse. If I knew that was the way that a company handled layoffs, I would never accept a job from them in the first place.
It didn't use to be that way, I came onboard years ago to save the company, which I believe to a large part I did and made it profitable.
However there is a new Sheriff in town and he is feeling his oats.
I have cornered him once or twice about it and his answer is "its just business", I need to understand that.
I got tired of him telling me that "that's not true" often when I would tell him something and told him to stop that, he seemed confused, so I told him that he was in fact calling me a liar and I didn't appreciate it. His answer was I needed to not take it personally, it was just business
So I don't tell him anything anymore, I watch failures now, or I try to sometimes I can't help myself and I have to say something when some really ridiculous thing is brought up.
Funny thing is he knows my depth of knowledge and will often seek me out and ask, but he doesn't like to.
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I understand why layoffs are handled that way too though. Disable internet access so someone can't, in a momentary spiteful spirit, email the clients with any nasty words, or sabotage an aircraft, etc. Layoffs have been handled that way in every company I've worked for: divide up the stays from the leaves, with IT taking care of the leaves as soon as they stand up from their desk to go to the 'meeting'.
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Let me tell you how it is done...

Really, really odd thing is we have an outstanding 401K, and I can't figure out why, unless there is some kind of tax advantage or something. You crap on them one min, and take care of them the next, it's strange.
The law requires that the top [some] percent can't take more for their 401k than the bottom [some] percent. In order to give themselves a huge tax advantage, they have to throw the worker bees a bone, too.

I was on the other side of a big layoff once. I was the IT guy in the "war room" disabling accounts as people were notified. The CEO, HR Manager, Security and a few others were in there. Word would come in that someone was notified, that they were on their way to a meeting with their manager, that they were being escorted off site, etc.

It was surreal. These were people I'd known for decades in many cases. Some reports said the person didn't take it well, and I was left to imagine what was going on with them. Everyone had known a layoff was coming, just not exactly when or who.

You can also imagine what I was thinking when I got the call to report to the executive conference room.

Back to the OP's topic, I gave about a month's official notice before retiring. I'd have given more, but the unwritten rule was that you don't want to give your notice before the bonus checks are written. On the other hand, it was an open secret that I was counting down the days.

Giving a fair notice is the right thing to do. Let the company do what they will, you won't regret taking the high road.
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The law requires that the top [some] percent can't take more for their 401k than the bottom [some] percent. In order to give themselves a huge tax advantage, they have to throw the worker bees a bone, too.

I think that is exactly what is going on here too, you confirmed what I was thinking, but I have been maxing my 401 K at $2,000 a month since its inception, and taking the matching too of course

I was on the other side of a big layoff once. I was the IT guy in the "war room" disabling accounts as people were notified. The CEO, HR Manager, Security and a few others were in there. Word would come in that someone was notified, that they were on their way to a meeting with their manager, that they were being escorted off site, etc.

It was surreal. These were people I'd known for decades in many cases. Some reports said the person didn't take it well, and I was left to imagine what was going on with them. Everyone had known a layoff was coming, just not exactly when or who.

You can also imagine what I was thinking when I got the call to report to the executive conference room.

Back to the OP's topic, I gave about a month's official notice before retiring. I'd have given more, but the unwritten rule was that you don't want to give your notice before the bonus checks are written. On the other hand, it was an open secret that I was counting down the days.

It is sort of an open secret here too, I noticed I haven't been reviewed this year yet.

Giving a fair notice is the right thing to do. Let the company do what they will, you won't regret taking the high road.
I think I will go with two months, that is after the yearly bonus time. I assume they have to give me the bonus if they give it to everyone else?
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I think I will go with two months, that is after the yearly bonus time. I assume they have to give me the bonus if they give it to everyone else?
Not clear what you are saying. I would not let them know that I was going to retire until AFTER the bonus was paid out. Anytime before that, they could give you remaining salary due (without the bonus) and just say, thanks and goodbye, even if the date you told them you were planning to retire was supposed to be after the bonus pay-out.
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Not clear what you are saying. I would not let them know that I was going to retire until AFTER the bonus was paid out. Anytime before that, they could give you remaining salary due (without the bonus) and just say, thanks and goodbye, even if the date you told them you were planning to retire was supposed to be after the bonus pay-out.

I'm saying don't make it official until after bonus is paid, however as I have said, its an open secret, and I have told the Boss that I will be retiring soon to give them warning, just wondering if he could chose not to pay me mine, yet give it to others.
He calls it profit sharing, although it is not as it doesn't meet the rules for that, or so I have been told.
I see it as a gift, not an entitlement, but I will sure take it if offered.
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The company is under no obligation to give you a bonus. I'm not sure they'd totally stiff you, but put yourself in your manager's position.

In the company I worked for, the board of directors gives upper management a certain amount of money for bonuses each year. They take what they want, and pass whatever's left down to the next level of management. This continues down the line.

My manager would get a set amount to distribute to his/her staff. There were many equally deserving employees, and it was never enough. It would make perfect sense to skew the payouts toward those who were staying.

I don't know that that ever actually happened, but everyone I talked to took the same approach; don't say anything until after the checks are cut.
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Sorry for being late to the party...

I've seen it all, I think. Let go for no reason (unpaid), let go for reasons good (paid, severance package), got new better gigs, left to chase dreams, etc. In the IT world, it's been quite a ride. I think I'm on my last iteration of working for 'the man', but that's another story.

Your 'new' boss' scenario has happened to me in many forms, and it usually just ends up in a culture change (for the worse mostly). You're pretty much checked out mentally already, so I'd say whatever you feel comfortable offering to them is fine. I would've already given them 2 weeks so I could go work on the boat. They more than likely are preparing... but if you're in tight with the HR personnel you usually can smell their intentions and preparations.

As for the offer to consult, I'm thinking that would be extremely wise to have available. Get a contract from HR if you can when you leave, if even to get paid for dumb questions that were never asked. Reply by email when possible, and you'll be around for a bit while you transition anyway. You can be the owner of the terms, so it sounds like it would pay your fuel bills for the year (or more).

Ultimately, if the new owners are just poison, get out quick. If the overall culture will nurture your eventual separation, then that's fine too. It sounds like you'll have plenty of retirement funding to keep you sailing eternally. Don't worry about them touching any of the money that you deserve. Has never, ever happened to me, and it probably could have a few times.

I'm a bit jealous. If I was in your position, as I said, I'd be gone already. Have a little more faith in the universe... it sounds like it wants you to go sailing.
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