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Old 11-08-2014, 15:31   #16
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I find these posts funny, I could live out of my car for 300 maybe but than why would I want to. If you're going to be a derelict boat and just live on the anchor what's the point of living in a sailboat. See the term is sail-boat. You sail.
ya and another thing...if you don't have a $7000 budget along with a shiney new boat you are a scum sucking dog that should be shipped off to a reeducation camp so I don't have to look at your 1977 30ft Cal....

Sheesh Scuba0...I know people living withing their means is out of voge as a Country and People these days...but do we really need to be nasty to people that are not in the top 10%-er crowd?
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I'm just saying I thought to point if having a sail boat was to go sailing. There's a lot easier ways to live on 8 hundred

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I'm just saying I thought to point if having a sail boat was to go sailing. There's a lot easier ways to live on 8 hundred

Ah...I think that's a common misconception with us in the sailer/cruiser community. The vast majority of live aboards never go sailing, but simply enjoy living aboard. True in the States and equally true in prime sailing/cruising grounds around Mexico and I bet the world (I just have experience in Mexico where there are huge non-sailor live aboard in every town/anchorage and marina.
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I find these posts funny, I could live out of my car for 300 maybe but than why would I want to. If you're going to be a derelict boat and just live on the anchor what's the point of living in a sailboat. See the term is sail-boat. You sail.
LOL, Gee I've put 200 hours on my engine in the last years rebuild. Plus I hoist a sail now and then too. Still easy to cruise (in the USA anyway) for $500 ish a month.

To the OP: There are no turn-key boats. Every one will need something. It will be less expensive buying a solid older boat that needs a bit O work, then to build one from scratch. Running a Big truck engine would not be economical for the $800 cruiser. Most single diesel trawlers in the 35 foot range will get 4-5 MPG which is actually really good for a power boat. Most twins get about 2 ish MPG. That will not work at $800/ month

Even if you don't sail, a Sailboat will give overall lower cost of ownership and ton better MPG.

You can get a $25/month cell phone and a $30/month cell wifi thingy for internet. Tmobile has the lowest cost plans, but not always the best coverage.
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Just curious... you have stated several times on a couple of threads you started that you are disabled with back, spine, weight an diabetic issues. Really... how you you expect to make the ongoing necessary repairs to your future boat? Operate the systems including anchoring safely on a daily basis (anchors are heavy and the task requires bending over and sometimes rapid movements). Marine mechanics charge $85-$115 per hour. You have a stated internet and phone requirement that might take up as much as half your budget... and you plan on doing all this on $800 per month?

No, I don't think $800 is nearly enough IMHO.

But I will add an idea which might work out better for you. A former tenant and close friend purchased a used house boat in Salem harbor, MA for $5000 two years ago. He lives on a mooring 4 months of the year and then at a reduced off season dock during the winter. He loves it. Much less to go wrong. But he is a very fit and able bodied 62 year old. Maybe a situation like his might work out better for you.
That is why we were discussing cheaper ways to get emails, weather data, and staying in touch. If I went with a satellite based system, yes it would cost me half of my budget, but I will not be doing that. With a ham licence and other radio gear I can get emails, weather data, as radio telephone if I am out of range of a cell tower. All of that is free once I get my ticket and the gear I need. As for the anchor we have an electric anchor on the pontoon and on the fishing boats we have a hand crank winches to raise and lower the anchors since Dads back is not in the best shape anymore ether and he is 73. I do not see any reason I can't use one of those to raise and lower the anchors on a sailboat. I am disabled not helpless. I can still do things and there is nothing wrong with my mind or my hands. I have worked as a mechanic plus worked on small gas engines of both two and four stroke types including outboards. I have rebuilt many of them over the years. Bending over is a pain but I can do it. If I am wearing my custom made back brace it takes some of the pressure off my back, it is just hot to wear. I can use a figure out something that will allow me to raise and lower an outboard off the transom if needed to pull it to work on it. If I use an electric outboard there is less moving parts to worry about. Some of the plans I have been looking at call for a small inboard motor so no need to pull an outboard unless it is on the dingy. I can get an inflatable hard bottom boat with a sail kit for $500 and then add an electric trolling motor on it. I already have a small one that I removed from the old Jon boat we had and sold when we got the pontoon. The blood pressure and diabetes problems are fine as long as I watch what I eat, take my meds like I am suppose to take them, and I am not in prolonged exposure to direct sunlight. That is the reason I have to be back at my home port at least once every three months. Using OpenCPN and after I added the ICW charts for me to get from the marina to the gulf I plotted a route that took me from here to Port St Lucie going the long way around at 4 knots would take me less than two weeks, one month turn around. That gives me two months of sailing, fishing, and taking pictures with my camera before having to return to my home port. Also I am hoping that I will meet someone at the local yacht that will join me on my adventures and share the work and expenses cruising. By the time I get a boat of my own I should know allot more than I do now.
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LOL, Gee I've put 200 hours on my engine in the last years rebuild. Plus I hoist a sail now and then too. Still easy to cruise (in the USA anyway) for $500 ish a month.

To the OP: There are no turn-key boats. Every one will need something. It will be less expensive buying a solid older boat that needs a bit O work, then to build one from scratch. Running a Big truck engine would not be economical for the $800 cruiser. Most single diesel trawlers in the 35 foot range will get 4-5 MPG which is actually really good for a power boat. Most twins get about 2 ish MPG. That will not work at $800/ month

Even if you don't sail, a Sailboat will give overall lower cost of ownership and ton better MPG.

You can get a $25/month cell phone and a $30/month cell wifi thingy for internet. Tmobile has the lowest cost plans, but not always the best coverage.
Like this boat? 1980 Westerly Konsort sailboat for sale in Virginia Seems like a good size boat for the price and it is on the list of pocket cruisers I saw but, could it go into the ICW or go into the flats in Florida. With that boat I couldn't trailer it without loading it on the low boy and pulling it with the tractor. I'd also need permits and maybe an escort vehicle. I can't remember what the limit is on the wide load before you have to have an escort.
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Like this boat? 1980 Westerly Konsort sailboat for sale in Virginia Seems like a good size boat for the price and it is on the list of pocket cruisers I saw but, could it go into the ICW or go into the flats in Florida. With that boat I couldn't trailer it without loading it on the low boy and pulling it with the tractor. I'd also need permits and maybe an escort vehicle. I can't remember what the limit is on the wide load before you have to have an escort.
Ah, that boat is a bilge keeler, multiple keels and shallow depth would be more then fine in any shallow water. Perfect for the Keys. I would be concerned with standing head height. The Engine is under the steps. The price is right if the engine and hull is good. Looks like it will need some wiring

Think 11' beam/width would need a follow car, but the height and bilge keel, means a lowboy would be fine with tiedowns
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Ah, that boat is a bilge keeler, multiple keels and shallow depth would be more then fine in any shallow water. Perfect for the Keys. I would be concerned with standing head height. The Engine is under the steps. The price is right if the engine and hull is good. Looks like it will need some wiring

Think 11' beam/width would need a follow car, but the height and bilge keel, means a lowboy would be fine with tiedowns
I think that is going to be the biggest problem in finding a boat or boat design that I would be able to afford, having a cabin where I can stand up. I hate being so tall sometimes, especially when you have low ceilings and non flush mount ceiling fans. That is how my Mom got five brand new ceiling fans in our other house. By the time she got home from work I was installing the last one. I had walked in the house not knowing the fan was on and my glasses had not lighten up to the point I could see the fan. I walked right into it. These were the old fashion fans with metal blades. I bandaged my head and went to Wal-Mart and bought five brand new flush mount fans and put them up. Oh well back to the subject at hand. Since I am not on the coast to go to a boat show that has lots of sailboats to view and see how the cabins would be for me, how would I find the cabin height data on these boats? I didn't see that data on the sail data site.
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Are you tied to living in the US? If not, there are plenty of other options.
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I find these posts funny, I could live out of my car for 300 maybe but than why would I want to. If you're going to be a derelict boat and just live on the anchor what's the point of living in a sailboat. See the term is sail-boat. You sail.

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Guess you didn't read the first post. Sounds like to me he does indeed plan to "sail".

"I'll be mostly traveling the ICW and staying along the Gulf and Eastern coast of the U.S. Nothing blue water till I can get a boat that will do it and I have enough training and experience for blue water sailing."

Also, pretty sure that living on a small budget does not automatically mean derelict.
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You are probably doing this, but I would be putting together a budget, while I read all this information.

Of course, you need to pay for the boat first, and fit her out. You probably do not know everything you will need, so, save some money for that. low draw fans and LED cabin lights will be a big help, anchored out. LED anchor light.

The single greatest cost will be mooring the boat. You need to find a place where you can anchor or moor the boat for free, or cheap. Here in FL, even mooring fields are $300 a month. If you anchor out, expect to pay $5/day to land your dinghy somewhere in which it will not get stolen. But there are places on the Chesapeake where you can anchor out for free, dinghy in for free. Add some money for pump outs, if at anchor (even if this is $5/week, on an $800/mo budget, everything adds up).

After that, insurance. If you have a worthless old boat, you may skip this, but realize you may lose whatever money you have in it. If you plan to go into a marina, nearly all in the US now mandate you have liability insurance. That is not cheap, on a boat.

Maintenance. It will cost more than you think. The older and more worn out the boat, the more maintenance. And not talking the big things, but even little things add up. A galley sink foot pump can be $100. If your high pressure fuel injector pump on the diesel engine is more than 20 years old, expect to pay $800 to have it rebuilt and resealed, at some point.

Cell phone, data. Better look for a plan that you can use anywhere. I used a cell phone tethered to my computer for years, until the wifi hot spot came along. But it was not cheap. It seems you can get a plan now for about $70/mo. That does not include tax and fees...which bump that up a bit.

Car insurance?

Obviously food.

Saving money for big items. 4 trips a year to your doc. How will you get there, what does it cost? Maybe little. Haul out and bottom paint....the nicer the spot you are in the more it will cost. Make sure there is a DIY boat yard near where you will be that you can haul and work on the boat.

And then, what about spending money? Not much fun sitting out on a boat not doing anything. Unless you are in an area where the snorkeling, fishing is great, even hanging out with other sailors costs something....you don't want to come to the party empty handed.

Anything is possible if you budget for it, and are realistic with your budget. Use Excel and put together different budgets, based on different assumptions or costs. See how close you come. Be real.

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Broken sailor, You plan is viable, but I think more likely successful if you truly break with the land. We are long-term liveaboards with no ownership of anything that is not aboard our uncrowded boat. Over the last ten years we've averaged about 5,000 miles/year with slow moving casual US East Coast & Bahamas cruising. We frequently spend periods of time anchoring out and still take terms at marinas,- usually for a length of time that allows for better than the transient rates. We don't keep internet or cell phone contact in the Bahamas, but along most of the US East Coast you can keep phone, internet and limited TV available for less than $50/month. We choose not to pay anything for TV & internet and we are using a $23/month phone plan. I've read your earlier posts with some references to trailering a Virginia boat south. I would find this contrary to the low cost plan. Using the ICW at a slow pace is very inexpensive. Later, with more confidence in your craft, you may add short distances offshore. Keeping vehicles, storage or other land bound ownership will be a burden to a low budget plan.

Presently we are spending the longest term in the past twelve years remaining at a dock and just daysailing at times. We've taken a slip near family and helping our children, who were raised aboard, finding and moving aboard their own boats. I should add that we are not living on a spartan budget, but we live aboard in the manner of those that spend little.
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Ah, that boat is a bilge keeler, multiple keels and shallow depth would be more then fine in any shallow water. Perfect for the Keys. I would be concerned with standing head height. The Engine is under the steps. The price is right if the engine and hull is good. Looks like it will need some wiring

Think 11' beam/width would need a follow car, but the height and bilge keel, means a lowboy would be fine with tiedowns
Did a little more "fishing on that boat and something is wrong with that ad. It states the draft as 3 feet, the 1980 Westerly Konsort 29 was a keel was a Fin w/transom hung rudder and had a draft of 5.33' they were built from 1979-1991. Now the Westerly Konsort 29 Duo had a twin keel design and had a draft of 3.33' and had a second part of the cabin that was high that the fore part of the cabin and they were made from 1984-1988. For th boat in that ad to be a Westerly Konsort 29 built in 1980 it couldn't have a draft of 3' unless it was a custom ordered boat could it?

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Unfortunately yes for two reasons, first my medical insurance is a Medicare/Medicaid Advantage plan and I have to see my primary Doctor at least once every three months to refill my medications. The second is my disability check, even though it is money I paid into the system when I could work there is only a few places you can live outside of the US where I can still get my benefits which sucks.

And for those asking yes I plan on sailing not just living on my boat in one spot. That would be not only boring, to me it would defeat the purpose of having a boat. One of the reasons I enjoyed driving a truck till the pressures of running a business got to me, was seeing other parts of the country. There are only 6 states I didn't get to go to in the truck before I gave it up. All of those states I can reach and visit by boat with the right training an the right boat. Granted some of those areas would be best visited in the right time of year since they are mostly to the north east and north west corners of the US.

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You are probably doing this, but I would be putting together a budget, while I read all this information.

Of course, you need to pay for the boat first, and fit her out. You probably do not know everything you will need, so, save some money for that. low draw fans and LED cabin lights will be a big help, anchored out. LED anchor light.

The single greatest cost will be mooring the boat. You need to find a place where you can anchor or moor the boat for free, or cheap. Here in FL, even mooring fields are $300 a month. If you anchor out, expect to pay $5/day to land your dinghy somewhere in which it will not get stolen. But there are places on the Chesapeake where you can anchor out for free, dinghy in for free. Add some money for pump outs, if at anchor (even if this is $5/week, on an $800/mo budget, everything adds up).

After that, insurance. If you have a worthless old boat, you may skip this, but realize you may lose whatever money you have in it. If you plan to go into a marina, nearly all in the US now mandate you have liability insurance. That is not cheap, on a boat.

Maintenance. It will cost more than you think. The older and more worn out the boat, the more maintenance. And not talking the big things, but even little things add up. A galley sink foot pump can be $100. If your high pressure fuel injector pump on the diesel engine is more than 20 years old, expect to pay $800 to have it rebuilt and resealed, at some point.

Cell phone, data. Better look for a plan that you can use anywhere. I used a cell phone tethered to my computer for years, until the wifi hot spot came along. But it was not cheap. It seems you can get a plan now for about $70/mo. That does not include tax and fees...which bump that up a bit.

Car insurance?

Obviously food.

Saving money for big items. 4 trips a year to your doc. How will you get there, what does it cost? Maybe little. Haul out and bottom paint....the nicer the spot you are in the more it will cost. Make sure there is a DIY boat yard near where you will be that you can haul and work on the boat.

And then, what about spending money? Not much fun sitting out on a boat not doing anything. Unless you are in an area where the snorkeling, fishing is great, even hanging out with other sailors costs something....you don't want to come to the party empty handed.

Anything is possible if you budget for it, and are realistic with your budget. Use Excel and put together different budgets, based on different assumptions or costs. See how close you come. Be real.

Hope this helps
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Thank you John I will do this and I am saving up what I can now. I don't have a car so no need for that. We do have a 50cc scooter that I am planning on upgrading the engine on to up the CC's and the HP on it. I will have to insure it before it goes anywhere. Wish there was a good way to get it on and off a boat as well protect it from the salt water spray and weather. That would be a good little transport for running around towns in while in port.

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Broken sailor, You plan is viable, but I think more likely successful if you truly break with the land. We are long-term liveaboards with no ownership of anything that is not aboard our uncrowded boat. Over the last ten years we've averaged about 5,000 miles/year with slow moving casual US East Coast & Bahamas cruising. We frequently spend periods of time anchoring out and still take terms at marinas,- usually for a length of time that allows for better than the transient rates. We don't keep internet or cell phone contact in the Bahamas, but along most of the US East Coast you can keep phone, internet and limited TV available for less than $50/month. We choose not to pay anything for TV & internet and we are using a $23/month phone plan. I've read your earlier posts with some references to trailering a Virginia boat south. I would find this contrary to the low cost plan. Using the ICW at a slow pace is very inexpensive. Later, with more confidence in your craft, you may add short distances offshore. Keeping vehicles, storage or other land bound ownership will be a burden to a low budget plan.

Presently we are spending the longest term in the past twelve years remaining at a dock and just daysailing at times. We've taken a slip near family and helping our children, who were raised aboard, finding and moving aboard their own boats. I should add that we are not living on a spartan budget, but we live aboard in the manner of those that spend little.
I don't own much and most of what I do own I will not be storing anywhere once I have the necessity's on board the boat with one exception. Everything else with ether be sold, donated, or thrown away. The only things that I will not be getting rid of that would be a problem if I kept them on the boat and left US waters and in some cases even in US waters would be my reloading gear and my guns. The reloading gear would be left in my Dad's care since he owns half of it anyway and my guns would be left in my brother's safe which is where all of them but one are now anyway. My cell is a lifeline phone and it doesn't cost me anything for that, with a ham licence and gear it will get me most of the other things I will need data wise for navigation and emails. Install my cell booster to the boat and add a cheap data plan to my phone and turn on the hot spot feature on and I can access the web when I can get a cell signal and need to get online to find something online. Then there are the free wifi hotspots I can access when I do go ashore to resupply. I don't watch much TV at all, I do play movies and games on it now and then and it is a light weight flat screen with a wall mount so I can install it on the boat. No need for an antenna for it since I don't watch any over the air shows.

All of this is good information and thank you all for your advice. Please keep it coming.
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If you build your own, you could build in a small hold for the scooter next to the engine room, and rig the main boom with block and tackle to use as a davit, hoist the scooter,
Swing it over to the dock and let it down.

You will want to learn how to so this properly. The boat will lean over more and more as the scooter swings out away from centerline, but if you figure it out, it'll be the easiest way to transport it safely, and below decks out of the salt.
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Building your own boat.

Back when I was younger and poorer I looked into building a boat to save money. Very quickly realized that it would be a lot more expensive to build one than to buy a used one.

Several reasons.

Used boats generally come with lots of stuff: ropes, anchors, sails, plumbing and wiring, pumps, etc, etc etc. You build a boat you will have to buy ALL of that. It adds up really fast.

Unless you are lucky or really good at scrounging used stuff, buying new rigging, mast, engine and all the parts to make a boat is expensive.

Can take years to build one. Unless you have a free place to do the work you can spend thousands on rent.

Someone said, if you want to be a builder then build a boat. If you want to be a sailor, buy one.
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