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Old 22-09-2013, 16:21   #736
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Absolutly , but the more you read, the more you realise this thread has elements of

" hello mr Bum , could you kindly take your sh1t-heap and just bugger off some where else, anywhere else but here, cause you're annoying the nice people "

Then when mr Bum says " F you rich guy, Im not moving" we have a debate about courtesy and social niceties.

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Just because the thread has a bit of those "elements" let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. The issue still boils down to sharing a public areas on a reasonable basic, which is something that's not currently happening.
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The issue still boils down to sharing a public areas on a reasonable basic, which is something that's not currently happening.
Yes but I don't think you can disconnect the class issue ( so to speak)
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Yes but I don't think you can disconnect the class issue ( so to speak)
Piss Takers come in all classes... Take Blair, Brown and Prescott for example...
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Piss Takers come in all classes... Take Blair, Brown and Prescott for example...

well 2 jags takes the biscuit there

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Yes but I don't think you can disconnect the class issue ( so to speak)
Because classy people don't take advantage?
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Because classy people don't take advantage?

eh no not my definition of "class", I mean the divide between the haves and have-nots, the rich the poor, between the propertied and the dispossessed

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I don't think you can ignore that aspect of the debate and put this all down to "bad manners"




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Yes but I don't think you can disconnect the class issue ( so to speak)
because poor people are excused from courtesy?
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Run for cover Dave...
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eh no not my definition of "class", I mean the divide between the haves and have-nots, the rich the poor, between the propertied and the dispossessed

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I don't think you can ignore that aspect of the debate and put this all down to "bad manners"
Nope. The bf was one of those boat bums, but he never overstayed his welcome, and opted to get a job and pay for a slip when he decided to stay on (well, next to) BI. It's about the quality of the person, not the person's possessions.
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Nope. The bf was one of those boat bums, but he never overstayed his welcome, and opted to get a job and pay for a slip when he decided to stay on (well, next to) BI. It's about the quality of the person, not the person's possessions.
No , thats not what I meant. I don't want to get back into a debate about money or lack of it or the righteousness of work etc.

I mean the response from those anchored has to be taken into a social context and their actions evaluated in that respect.

Its like having a debate about the courtesies of blocking the sidewalk with a homeless guy . you see what I mean

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Re: Our shrinking rights and the fight in Oriental NC

I lived in Bradenton, FL from 2002 to 2008. The city directly south of us, Sarasota, had a similar issue with the public mooring in their harbor. In the case of Sarasota though, it was derelict boats that were the problem. People were essentially abandoning older boats, both power and sail, at the mooring because of the cost of proper disposal.

The city started trying to charge for mooring, but then discovered the area is a Federal mooring area, so they couldn't do anything if you chose to drop anchor there. Last I remember, they could charge for the mooring balls, but couldn't charge if you just dropped anchor.

I'm sure someone closer will chime in with more current info...
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isn't that a different problem entirely. That situation may just have to be handed from taxes, can't see another way, bringing a prosecution is likely to achieve nothing ( though that shouldn't stop it)

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No , thats not what I meant. I don't want to get back into a debate about money or lack of it or the righteousness of work etc.

I mean the response from those anchored has to be taken into a social context and their actions evaluated in that respect.

Its like having a debate about the courtesies of blocking the sidewalk with a homeless guy . you see what I mean

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No, I really don't know what you mean. The homeless guys in Seattle that lived along my walking route to work built their houses off the beaten path, under viaducts, in abandoned building porches etc. They didn't force themsleves onto the graces of others by demanding their rights to sleep outside a restaurant because they got better handouts there.

And before you get all righteous and huffy about 'out of sight, out of mind', the ferry folk knew all their resident homeless people and took good care of them. Most did not want permanent shelter. When the ill-mannered ones showed up and narrowed the walkway, they were ignored and quickly moved on (as in, they were moved on by the police). The others made themselves a part of our commute society, and we cared about them.

Our society is made up of many types of people and they are all necessary, and they all need to obey the same rules. You don't get squatters rights in public spaces because you have less money. You don't get to yell "discrimination" because you are treating space that's meant for everyone as your own domain. And in the Oriental situation, it is prime public space. Meant to be shared.

If you want to anchor permanently somewhere, don't pick the best spot. Choose an out of the way harbor, and I'm pretty sure that no one will mind at all.
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Absolutly , but the more you read, the more you realise this thread has elements of

" hello mr Bum , could you kindly take your sh1t-heap and just bugger off some where else, anywhere else but here, cause you're annoying the nice people "

Then when mr Bum says " F you rich guy, Im not moving" we have a debate about courtesy and social niceties.

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Wow, just wow. Normally I don't feed the trolls. But will let you know I don't think courtesy and social niceties are your strong point.
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what I was trying to get across is the nonsense of the "courtesy" argument. Its like having a discussion about the quality of hamburgers with a starving refugee.

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