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Old 26-08-2017, 04:54   #31
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Start looking at boats you think interest you by Opening every hatch in the floor, finding all the through hulls, keel bolts, and having a good look in every nook and cranny. turn the gate valves, etc. Take the front off electrical panels etc, If you can get your camera-phone into where the fuel tanks are take photos to check for rust. See what quality water comes out of the water tanks. Turn the stove on and any other appliances. Look in ever cupboard for signs of leaks from above. Get the hose onto it if possible- especially around the mast. Look for papers/old invoices that show maintenance history. A well maintained boat will generally have a record of the maintenance because it is valuable when selling to be able to show it. Inspect all the big ticket items- motor, generator, winches, rigging, teak decks, tanks, Inspect lots of boats and ask lots of questions before falling in love with one of them. Ask if someone can take you for a sail in it if possible. A boat that sails regularly is going to be lower risk than one that has sat in a marina unused for years. When you find 'the one', Get the boat out of the water and get a proper survey. Don't let love blind you to potential costs or issues that could stop you from ever getting out of the marina. A simpler boat is often a better choice because you'll have less to go wrong/maintain. Find out what other boats of that make and vintage are selling for around the world, and offer below average. It's a buyers market and a global market.
Thank you for your advice. I am totally not discouraged, but aware.
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Old 26-08-2017, 04:55   #32
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Something that I did was look at staying on a boat through AirBnB. At the time I didn't know anyone with a boat and had not been on one. Best thing that I ever did! Now I know that I love living on a boat and it saved me a lot of time "just looking" at boats. Good luck!
Great experience. I am stealing that idea.
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Old 26-08-2017, 04:56   #33
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I suggest buying a fiberglass boat. I lived on a 32' steel boat in Florida for a couple good years. The old drunk who bought it was asleep one evening.

He woke up in his rocking chair with the water up to his ears. One of the several patched leaks, stopped "patching". Fortunately the bottom of the basin was only deep enough for up to the neck.



"Why do old drunks usually end up buying my previous projects?"
Thank you for your advice. I didn't consider the material. I will add that to my research.
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Old 26-08-2017, 04:58   #34
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If you want to live on a sailboat, before you do anything find an American Sailing Assn or United States Sailing Assn training facility and take at least the basic keelboat class. This will not only teach you how to sail, but also about the boat, its parts, the stuff that can go wrong. You may not like sailing, then a Trawler would be a better choice to live on. There really is a certain level of required knowledge to live on a boat. Maintenance is an ongoing, never ending part of the experience and never forget your "new home" has the ability to sink at the dock due to maintenance problems and "uneducated" actions on your part.

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Thank you for your advice. I will definitely look into ASSN training. I need to postpone my purchase another year.
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Old 26-08-2017, 05:01   #35
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Great advice on living On board by the other posters.

Get some experience and training thru an accredited or highly respected sailing club. You have no idea how much you will need to know to be a safe and knowledgeable skipper of a sail or motor vessel.

Plus, you will be taking lessons on their boats, and learn about how different types of boats feel to you. I mean a sailing club that has a fleet of boats from 30 on up to high 40 footers. Not dingy sailing. Also take additional seminars like Marine Weather, signal lights and day shapes, rough weather sailing, etc. How about fog procedures, sound signals, anchoring, mooring pick ups, VHF radio and emergency procedures, etc.

Take the lessons, read the manual , pass the tests, and the on board check outs.

Also sign up for the U.S.G.C. Auxillary class.

Then before laying out a lot of cash, do some real sailing. Frankly without knowing anything, you are going to put you, your boat and others into possible extremis. And you may wind up not even liking living aboard and a lot of yankee green out the bilge pump.

Do meed to be aware that not all marinas welcome new or any live aboards.

Plus you need to pump out your holding tanks at a pump out station, or 3 miles offshore. You need to know how to operate your vessel, read charts, understand navaids, plot courses so a coastal piloting course should be included in your training as well.

We have talked about living on board, and we sail monohulls, but as suggested, we would live on board and skipper a trawler, catamaran , or beamy power boat. We would want to live oncomfortably .

Boat systems, you had better learn about them, and when you get ready to buy a boat, go over all of the systems, standing rigging, running rigging, engine, transmission, plumbing and electrical. And for certain have the boat surveyed.

Portland.....it gets cold up in portland, so a space heater of some kind will be needed.
Boats do not generally have heaters and air conditioners.

Also, another things is to check out any possible slip for creaky docks, scraping pilings, and even current or wave slap or back surges from tidal changes.

You should also do longer passages with your sailing club overnights , and not just day sails and learn about living on board, sleeping, size of berths and overheads, shower and marine head space, galley and salon tables, room up in the cockpit, dodgers and bimini tops. Cabin lights that actually allow you to have enough illumination at night to read down below.

Also, are there any topside leaks around port lights or hatches, or even the mast if it is stepped thru the cabin overhead.

How about marine head operation and having to pump the head into the holding tank.
That is real fun on a steady basis. But , we do get used to it. Or if a newer vessel it you have aelectric mascerator, but even then you have to go to a pump our station every few days. Unless there is a pump out barge service. Which can be rare.

And, check on Marinas in your area , if they even allow new live aboards.

living on board is like having your own waterfront condo, and that is great. But, it takes some real live investigation and learning . If you do it right.

Add in maintenance , and cleaning, and bottom cleaning, and redoing the teak, and fixing the constant things that will arise.

Oh, and you will get acquainted with West Marine, a supply chain that will eat into your boxes of saved up dabloons, with great smiles and happy greetings.

Now, again , that is how we feel about having been sailing, professionally and having great amounts of fun coming on close to 40 years.

100% agree with putting everything in your favor, and make sure that it is a correct decision.

Do you have to do all the things that have been suggested, nope, you do not.
But in life, we have found THAR AINT NO FREE LUNCH.
Very very helpful advice you have. Thank you for your time. I am glad you shared this information with me. I hope future readers may refer to this as well.
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Old 26-08-2017, 05:05   #36
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No one can offer worthwhile advice without knowing your budget. The $5k answer is very different from the $90k answer.
Mine would be the $5k answer for now lol
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Old 26-08-2017, 05:09   #37
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May be useful to add why you want to do this. That could influence discussion and perhaps elicit better answers...

-Chris
My primary reason to do this is to save money on rent. My apartment is basically my locker. I am only there to sleep. I live a minimalist lifestyle and my only furniture is my bed.

My second reason is interest. I have been interested in owning a boat as a child. I want to fulfill part of my dreams and take part in a new hobby.
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Old 26-08-2017, 05:09   #38
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Get some old 30 foot inexpensive boat. Live on it a while and learn then get rid of it and get a real boat. There's no way you are going to pick the right boat the first try. Hell you will never have the right boat just maybe the best compromise boat in the end.
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Old 26-08-2017, 05:12   #39
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Weather need not be a show stopper. People live aboard full time in Maine. You need to start by thinking through what you want and why. A boat is a poor choice if you go to work in a suite and tie. Closet space will be tight and salt air is unkind to leather shoes. Even large boats are small compared to apartments. Can you live in tight quarters full time? Of course financials matter. If you want a dock queen that is not fit to move more than one marina to another you can save a lit of money but forget fixing her up to sail. Also owning a boat means maintenance as well as operating costs. No calling the super when the toilet won't flush or the oven work. Are you a good do it your selfer? Do you enjoy that kind of work because marine labor is expensive. After deciding on reasonable search parameters you could begin by walking docks and interviewing owners, especially live aboards. Ask lots of questions, most folks will be happy to share their experiences.
Thank you for your advice. I am stealing your questions and adding it to my notebook.
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Old 26-08-2017, 05:14   #40
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I would not recommend buying until you are sure you want to do this. Most every marina will have a multitude of boats sitting around with little use. Place an add on their board that you will boat sit and pay part or all of the moorage as rent. This will give you the experience you want and you can find folks going out that will welcome inexperienced crew. Join a sailing club and you will also meet folks willing to give a hand and advice. Be available for dock watch and give a helping hand when ever you can. Don't be in a rush as this is a major decision. You will like the freedom of living on a boat but it comes with a price of downsizing. Some folks can't handle that. I myself have a hard time getting rid of my treasures. So I have to rent a storage locker. What ever you do, KIS. Monkey, for your benefit, that's keep it simple.
Thank you for your advice. My decision to purchase is postponed for next year. My plan is to learn the basics.
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Old 26-08-2017, 05:15   #41
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Funny, my brother lives in Portland & he wants to do the same thing. I explained to him that a trawler would be much more comfortable & spacious. It also makes a lot more sense for river cruising.
I heard a lot of mention of a trawler. I will look into that.
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Old 26-08-2017, 05:17   #42
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With this level of inexperience, it's probably a good idea to try out the lifestyle on somebody else's boat before buying one. It's not for everybody.

The only credential that you are required to have is an Oregon Boater Safety Certificate. You can take a course or do it on line for a few bucks. Seriously - this isn't just bureaucracy. You might look out at the river and see a mile-wide stretch of water - but some of that is only a few inches deep. Do you know how to find the safe channel? Stay out of the way of commercial shipping? Get the railroad bridges to open for you?

Beyond that, there are numerous organizations that offer sailing lessons in the PDX area, at various cost points. You might spend a few hundred bucks, but again, you get to try it out on someone else's boat before making a big commitment. (edit: some of these courses also include the safety certificate.)

Also, before you buy, where do you want to live aboard? Not many marinas allow live-a-boards and they are expensive or remote and may have waiting lists. You can anchor out in some backwater like Multnomah Channel for free, but you must be totally self-sufficient and you must move to a new location every 30 days. And you will need to be able to at least sail or motor the boat to a pump-out station every few days. Or alternatively carry your waste off in a bucket.

Winters are rarely very harsh around PDX, but an un-insulated boat can get very cold. Some kind of reliable and safely-ventilated heater is needed. River levels can fluctuate dramatically in the winter, and a poorly-moored boat can break free and get into trouble in a hurry. And of course, there is the rain.

Most old boats have deck-leaks which you will have to be able to fix - nobody wants another monstrosity draped with blue tarps that don't really help. Of course, if you are willing to spend money, all this can be taken care of for you.

If you are serious about this, there are numerous books on how to buy and maintain old boats. Get yourself over to Powells and find a comfortable chair to settle in around the far corner of the Red Room.
Thank you for your advice. I considered postponing my purchase. I am not discouraged though. I am glad that I have feedback from someone who is familiar with PDX and Oregon.
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Old 26-08-2017, 05:21   #43
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Portland, eh? Storms, cold, rain, wind, yeah, you got it!

You may want to consider something with an insulated hull, stability and a good deal of internal volume, but you have a great deal of investigation to do still before even going there. A live-on can be inexpensive (relatively) all the way to the cost of a house on dry ground (or more) depending upon what amenities are "requirements" for you to be happy. Are you going to be alone? Are you working on land and needing transport back and forth? Are you using a marina? Are you thinking the inland waters are going to be acceptable for hooking the anchor in instead (consider currents here)? Have you a budget for marina fees, repairs, and assorted trades you will need to learn or hire out to handle the offsets to cost your boat will likely have based upon sale condition at the time you purchase it? Many boats can be obtained less expensively if you know what is wrong with them and have or can gain the skills to handle repairs yourself, but some repairs are actually cheaper to have a specialist do (because of tools you would not otherwise ever use, skills you won't ever otherwise need, extra materials you have to obtain that won't be useful later if you change your mind and move back to land, etc.).

Give more details, and the folks here will offer more information. Are you planning to do more than live on it in one place (and then a barge becomes perhaps a better solution) and what sort of budget have you in mind?
Thank you for your great feedback. I am glad that I have someone who is familiar with Portland for advice.

Alone - Yes
Work on Land - Yes
Marina - Yes
Anchor - No
Budget for marina - <$500
Budget for boat - <$5k


Thank you again for bringing up these questions. I hope future readers will see this as well.
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A catamaran , @ 38 ft , would be my advice ,,, which one depends on your personal financial situation
Cool. That's now added to my shopping list.
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My primary reason to do this is to save money on rent. My apartment is basically my locker. I am only there to sleep. I live a minimalist lifestyle and my only furniture is my bed.

My second reason is interest. I have been interested in owning a boat as a child. I want to fulfill part of my dreams and take part in a new hobby.

New folks often think they'll be able to save money on rent by living on a boat. You might want to research that part of the topic much more extensively, because it's easy to spend more on boat life -- sometimes way more -- than on apartment life.

Maintenance can be easy, or brutal, depending on the boat, the situation, luck, etc. If you're not willing or able to do (most of) it yourself, it can break the bank in a heartbeat. If you're handy, you can save on direct $$$ outlay, but time is a resource, too... so either way, you spend something.

(You can look at the various maintenance topics here to get an idea: engine, rigging (if sail), plumbing and sanitation, electrical, HVAC, thru-hulls and strainers, etc., etc., etc. Three winter-related issues specifically about live-aboard, which can become more difficult depending on where you are: periodic waste pump-out, water supply, and heat. If you're in a cold climate, start looking at ways to solve those before you buy a boat; you can do it, but need eyes wide open.)

Balancing all that, "interest" and aiming toward dreams and hobbies may well overcome the inherent issues associated with boats, some of which are multiplied by the living aboard thing. And that may also combine with "handy" (if you are) to make doing boat maintenance an enjoyable (well, more easily bearable) part of your new hobby.

Either way, good luck!

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