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Old 05-01-2012, 11:12   #61
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Re: Liveaboard anchoring.......

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Anyone still use hand signals? I still teach folks to use them.
You do need hand signals as a back up, but they only convey very simple information. They also fail when you need them most like when the rainstorm obscures your bow and its the middle of the night.
Get some reliable electronic communication between the bow and the helm, with hand signals as a back up.
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:24   #62
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I wouldnt call myself a senior cruiser, just a realist who has had many senior sailor mentors and never had a condescending one, whose only constructive remark is here to advise to go to anchor school. Maybe we can be advised how members here deserve senior sailor status. Respect, diplomacy, non-patronizing attitude, be important factors.
Actually... thats not there by choice (Senior Sailor)...
its kinda ageist and I'm a very PC sorta guy...
musta changed when I got my tobacco out..
As for 'Condecending...
How dare you....
I may be rude, bad mannered, arrogant and any other positive things you can come up with...
but 'Condecending...??'
NEVER...
Amigo... tu nao entender esta uma piada.... nos gostar brincar aqui..
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Old 05-01-2012, 11:31   #63
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Re: Liveaboard anchoring.......

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Anyone still use hand signals? I still teach folks to use them.
Of course...

We sail as a couple, so started with the yelling as hard as we could at each other method. We then progressed to headsets. And for the past six years (been sailing for 10) we've used hand signals.

Our general method is to explore the anchorage first (usually under engine, but sail whenever we can), and settle on a strategy and/or general location. Anchor crew moves forward as we get close (we both take turns), rigs the anchor for drop and alerts the helm with a big "thumbs up" when things are ready. Helm brings us close to the spot. After that the anchor crew is in charge of final boat positioning, controlling all motion with our various hand signals. This includes setting and digging the beast in.
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Re: Liveaboard anchoring.......

We tried the headsets for a while, but gave them up as a needless complication and use that "OReilly" plan as described above. We establish our plan while we are both in the cockpit and the time spent at the bow to deploy the anchor is minimal as location depth and rode has already been determine. We then set the drag alarm, set the anchor, and evaluate our outcome while we are both in the cockpit. After forty years of anchoring the hand signals are minimal,- we pretty much know what the other is doing.
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Mental Telepathy?

Am I the only member who uses mental telepathy when anchoring?

Only disadvantage is that it sometimes takes a little longer (OK, sometimes a lot longer)...
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Am I the only member who uses mental telepathy when anchoring?

Only disadvantage is that it sometimes takes a little longer (OK, sometimes a lot longer)...

the real problem is that it only works with 2 people capable of doing it
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We establish our plan while we are both in the cockpit and the time spent at the bow to deploy the anchor is minimal as location depth and rode has already been determine. .
We often do this as well, but it does not work when maps/pilot guides are poor or where there are isolated , uncharted, hazards such as coral bommies. In these situations you need someone at the bow (or up the mast) to locate these problems.
Communication between the lookout and the person at the helm is sometimes essential. Complex information cannot be conveyed with hand signals.
Embrace the modern technology. If I can talk to family half way around the world, then voice communication between the bow and helm should be easy
Backups are essential, but there is no need to use smoke signals when broadband is available.
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Am I the only member who uses mental telepathy when anchoring?
All kidding aside, I do think this is the next evolution in our anchoring technique. We've got things down to a fairly efficient and quiet dance, but sometimes a couple comes into an anchorage and you can immediately tell they're at a higher plane of sailing existence. There's a grace and a simplicity to all their actions. Without even a glance at each other they glide to the perfect place, lower their anchor, dig it in, and do so faster and more efficiently than I can currently dream. They seem to be reading each other's minds.

I love watching these seemingly telepathic sailors.
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I love watching these seemingly telepathic sailors.
My bet is they have got voice communication between the helm and bow.
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My bet is they have got voice communication between the helm and bow.
Nope, they just did it often enough

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All kidding aside, I do think this is the next evolution in our anchoring technique. We've got things down to a fairly efficient and quiet dance, but sometimes a couple comes into an anchorage and you can immediately tell they're at a higher plane of sailing existence. There's a grace and a simplicity to all their actions. Without even a glance at each other they glide to the perfect place, lower their anchor, dig it in, and do so faster and more efficiently than I can currently dream. They seem to be reading each other's minds.

I love watching these seemingly telepathic sailors.

That's us! We plan where we will anchor before I go to the bow, know how much chain to put out, use small hand signals-my arm goes up showing my spouse how the anchor chain is tightening and then I make a fist with my arm out to show the anchor is set.

We can read each other's minds-like the small looks-p!$$ @ff-that means he is not where I wanted or growl-if I am putting it out too fast/slow,etc. or my subtle hand signal with my middle finger scratching my head!! and quite calling us psychopathic sailors LOL!!
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I now have a windlass with a control switch at the helm. My wife appreciates not going to the bow to drop & retrieve the anchor. She is now able to enjoy watching me run the boat while operating the switch, multi-tasking I think it's called. She does enjoy anchoring much more now;-)
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Nope, they just did it often enough

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Well maybe , but I anchor over 300 days a year and there is just no hand signal for
There is someone snorkeling 200m from the back off the Hanse to port.
There is a lot of rock / weed here lets try over to the west
There is a mooring chain here, further south looks better.
( To find a patch with less weed) port a bit, forward, hit reverse, dropping.
There is a bomme just in front of the trimaran.
That Beneteau has got 2 anchors out.
How far does the radar show we are from the pier?
What is depth now?
etc etc

This communication is not essential, but it makes life easier. In many straightforward anchorages the helmsperson takes control, but if try this with an uncharted south Pacific anchorage filled with coral bommies and the person at the bow or up the spreaders has control, they need to communicate direction to helm and voice transmissions are superior to hand signals.

Cruising sailors embrace GPS, chartplotters anchor winches, but there seems to a view that it unseamanlike to have voice communication between the bow and helm ?
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Well maybe , but I anchor over 300 days a year and there is just no hand signal for
There is someone snorkeling 200m from the back off the Hanse to port.
There is a lot of rock / weed here lets try over to the west
There is a mooring chain here, further south looks better.
( To find a patch with less weed) port a bit, forward, hit reverse, dropping.
There is a bomme just in front of the trimaran.
That Beneteau has got 2 anchors out.
How far does the radar show we are from the pier?
What is depth now?
etc etc
Wow, 300 days a year?! you mean you are at anchor 300 days a year or actually setting the anchor 300 days a year?

Anyway, all your examples above... we don't need to communicate any of that because we're both in the cockpit when we are in that phase. I only go forward when we're ready to lower the anchor. All we need is port/strbrd/further/stop/reverse/more revs/abort

We circle through the anchorage first, making extra circles at spots that look promising, checking water depth, view from the cockpit, the other boats (there's certain types we stay clear from, like bareboat charterers) etc. before we decide on a spot.

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We have headsets too & have no problem using them- except it bugs me having it on (I don't like hats or gloves either!). So we usually use them coming into a new mooring field or in evening with little light. My hubby has hearing in only one ear so it can really help if we need to discuss things.

There should be a warning on headsets though-Caution! Other person can hear your comments clearly via headset!
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