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Old 13-09-2014, 11:38   #46
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Re: How to Finance a One-off Custom Boat?

Make an offer based on your ability to pay cash. If they don't take it, move on.
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Old 13-09-2014, 11:51   #47
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Talk to your investment advisor about getting a loan FROM your retirement account...
Then you pay interest TO your retirement account. Should be Tax Free.
Our deferred comp accounts (not IRAs) will not allow loans for real estate nor for boats. I've tried that idea several times.
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Make an offer based on your ability to pay cash. If they don't take it, move on.
Another potential purchaser tried that recently and the seller did not budge from the list price.
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Old 13-09-2014, 11:55   #49
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Re: How to Finance a One-off Custom Boat?

Yachtworld shows a Brazapi 51, ten years old, professionally maintained and overhauled, selling at just over twentyfive cents on the dollar. From a lender's point of view, if the ASKING price is only 1/4 of the purchase price? What are they going to lend, with a certainty of value? A nickel on the dollar? A dime?
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Yachtworld shows a Brazapi 51, ten years old, professionally maintained and overhauled, selling at just over twentyfive cents on the dollar. From a lender's point of view, if the ASKING price is only 1/4 of the purchase price? What are they going to lend, with a certainty of value? A nickel on the dollar? A dime?
"Selling" being a big word. It shows it "Offered" at that price. And still not selling.
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Re: How to Finance a One-off Custom Boat?

It's the sold price that counts, not the ask not the offer...
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Old 13-09-2014, 14:51   #52
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Re: How to Finance a One-off Custom Boat?

you may have an out-your non-profit donation is tax deductible if you have taxable income/tax amount to offset.Maybe.I imagine IRS would look closely at this.But may be your "resale" out.I'd look into this.Your last hope I suppose.
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Re: How to Finance a One-off Custom Boat?

I believe you read the original post wrong. It was buying not selling.

Your suggesting on selling or divesting is good. I've used it but you still end up bleeding.
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Our deferred comp accounts (not IRAs) will not allow loans for real estate nor for boats. I've tried that idea several times.
Will they let you borrow money to buy stock ( in an LLC that owns the boat)?

Will the owner finance? (I am sure at this time he wants to stop the hemorrhaging?) Insure that he also helps find insurance.... so you do not end up with something uninsurable.... That will be your second problem. How is the insurance company going to know it is truly worth the amount to be insured?
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Cadence,You're entirely incorrect!
To buy it he needs an "out" which doesn't really exist.Though donation to charity for writeoff may give to OP.
OP still unable to alleviate the inability to insure vessel being it's a "one off".
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Old 13-09-2014, 20:25   #56
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Insurance seems to be a non-issue!

I have firm quotes for declared value from three very reputable insurance companies. They do not care about comparable values, sale price, or market price. All they care about is
- my experience
- my claim history
- my crew
- my cruising area

Insurance is quite reasonable - I guess a 40-year sailing history with no claims and a lot of well documented long distance cruising makes them comfortable.
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Re: How to Finance a One-off Custom Boat?

What they are saying is they don't want to secure the loan against the boat.

Can you secure the loan with other assets, real estate, or retirement funds etc?
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Cadence,You're entirely incorrect!
To buy it he needs an "out" which doesn't really exist.Though donation to charity for writeoff may give to OP.
OP still unable to alleviate the inability to insure vessel being it's a "one off".
Arthur you're right but a donation for tax benefits still requires a marine survey which is going to subject the vessel to the same down side.
It is a way out easily out as you stated there is really no out.

I hope he runs from the boat. A one off is fine if you have cash pin money to play with.
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Ok. Just spent a couple of days on retirement planning. We are within a year or two. I figured a 3% gain on all investments. How are u getting 10 to 15% ?
I am not a retirement or investment advisor. But, here are four mutual funds that we have invested in during the last couple decades.

The dollar amount shown is the CURRENT value (Sept 15, 2014) of $10,000 invested with that firm on Sept 15 1999, 2004, 2009. In other words I am showing the 15 year, 10 year, and 5 year growth of $10,000.

PIMCO Total Return Institutional (PTTRX)
$26,951
$18,100
$12,998

Fidelity ContraFund (FCNTX)
$30,500
$27,177
$21,310

Vanguard Equity Income (VPEIX)
$27,908
$21,316
$19,389

Vanguard MidCap (VMCIX)
$43,256
$27,823
$22,989

Of course - your mileage may vary!

A $10,000 investment growing at 7% compounded annually, (no tax & no fees) would be worth
$27,590 in 15 years
$19,672 in 10 years
$14,026 in 5 years
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