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Old 18-08-2013, 18:52   #46
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Far from it, although the fact that both expect to solve the problems by money printing makes them similar.

In relation to Yugoslavia, money printing and hyperinflation played a major role in the political developments that led to the collapse of the country.

Don't want to mention what were the follow-up events after the Weimar hyper-inflation. I am not suggesting these type of consequences, just want to illustrate that money printing does not solve problems and will never do.

In relation to the EU, we need to see who will be the first guys out (my bet is on UK) and then it becomes interesting.

EU is maybe less centralized now, but both are going in the direction of more centralization (which means less checks and balances and less accountability)

I hope you are right and I am wrong. Only time will tell.
I am sure all of us will still be be alive to see some of these historical events happening. And hopefully observing them from a nice boat on a far away sea.

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This is an amusing aside , so I might as well respond.

Firstly the UK isn't in the EuroZone and its the Eurozone that matters.

As to who will leave, the UK will never leave , and its unlikely the conservatives will be in power next time around anyway , the UK may do a bit of renegotiation , but British and foreign business has made its point of view clear. ( and that's what counts) no one else is leaving.

Why, cause , being small and lonely is no use.

The EU will solve its problems like all systems , by muddling through , by making changes when it has too etc. its not perfect , at times its not even great , but its better then the alternative , that caused two wars thank you.

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Old 19-08-2013, 02:20   #47
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As to who will leave, the UK will never leave , and its unlikely the conservatives will be in power next time around anyway , the UK may do a bit of renegotiation , but British and foreign business has made its point of view clear. ( and that's what counts) no one else is leaving.
Whilst I agree with you that it makes no sense to leave (indeed IMO it would be economic suicide) and that those who do have influence (£££) are set against it (apart from the vocal Little Englanders ) - nonetheless I can see a chance that with the Conservatives playing with fire things could turn out badly..........

.......of course staying in on the sidelines not such a great thing either .

But my bet is a LibLab coalition next time simply as more natural bedfellows.......with all 3 parties performing badly!

Albeit on the upside none of the potential leaders will have Magic Underpants!
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My pet hate is when you berth alongside and still get the 50% surcharge... why????
Socialisim.

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......Wine in supermarkets can be surprisingly expensive, but you can get co-operative wine for about 1euro a litre , bring a big plastic container........

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What does this mean?
IN many southern EU countries, particularly France and Spain, you can buy bulk wine, unbottled in local co-operatives. These co-operative process local grapes from vineyards to small to be in a big concern.( hence you get a big mix of grapes) You bring in your plastic container, they put it on a scales , fill it from all the world a thing like a petrol pump, cheaper then sparkling water and great

in 2012, I was buying Rose at 95cents/litre

where do you think all that table wine at small restaurants comes from.

PS sometimes its gut rot, but most of the time its surprisingly good, often stunning

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