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Old 26-03-2016, 16:44   #1
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Has Anyone Thought of Creating a Protected Marina in the Ocean?

THERE ARE FEW PLACES TO LIVE ABOARD...BUT HAS ANYONE EVER THOUGHT OF CREATING A FLOATING MARINA WITH A SURGE FENCE TO CALM THE WAVE ACTION 3 MILES OFF SHORE?

OK so it's a la Waterworld.... but if you drilling platforms do it...why not have live aboard platforms with ferry service to a port for shopping? It could be protected from bad weather. It could be easily accessible... it could be open to NON-PUMPOUT people. It could be a TOWN!..... The problem is depth and ground tackle. BUT if you had enough people...it could work financially...especially with fast ferry service.... and think of the fresh air and clean water...

Remember 3/4 of this planet is water.
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For anything like that... just look to Abu Dhabi.
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Old 26-03-2016, 17:20   #3
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A Mulberry? But did they survive very long, and weren't offshore either?


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Old 26-03-2016, 17:34   #4
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C'mon guys think outside the box.....
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Re: HAS ANYONE THOUGHT OF CREATING A PROTECTED MARINA IN THE OCEAN

How do you propose blocking swells without building breakwaters from the ocean floor?
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Old 26-03-2016, 17:42   #6
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Re: HAS ANYONE THOUGHT OF CREATING A PROTECTED MARINA IN THE OCEAN

The Luxurious Afterlives of Abandoned Sea Forts and Oil Rigs

ok.guys something like this... it's all about engineering... but so isn't everything?

You have to start thinking outside the box.... 3/4 of the world is ocean... the rest is going on 7 billion and soon to be 10 billion....

think outside the box... there are a lot of smart people out there that will figure this out... I will sign up...
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Seriously?

As an engineering problem it is solvable, but economically there's no way. Figure a semi-submersible oil platform has something like $100,000 a day cost. But this is assuming work crew conditions, minimal food, no entertainment, basically it's a work site at sea (though a comfortable one). To turn a semi-submersible into a luxury retirement community would probably wind up costing $2-400,000 a day.

The conversions above are shallow water rigs that basically were converted to hotels on the water. Which is far cheaper than a mid-ocean floating platform.
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Gary... I don't buy it for even a second... if that rig is touching the sea floor... you have land to attach to... if it is abandoned and there is no one there... it is ZERO DOLLARS per day! This isn't rocket science... there will be 100's of abandoned oil rigs in the future just in the Gulf of Mexico. I had a friend who passed away who operated a standup oil rig supply vessel. He would just drop the stilts raise the vessel and become a stilt home in the ocean besides supplying the oil rig.... there are ways....

3/4's of the planet is ocean.... soon to be 10 billion people....

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How do you propose blocking swells without building breakwaters from the ocean floor?
Underwater baffels...
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Hey the Chinese are doing it to underwater reefs..... what? we are the dumb spitball guys in the back of the classroom?
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Re: HAS ANYONE THOUGHT OF CREATING A PROTECTED MARINA IN THE OCEAN

Salmon cage or floating herring weir-lots around here.
I guess if you built them square....
They are made of poly pipe & lie on the water like an undulating blanket.
A vessel tied inside one will still move with with the waves but some what dampened.
The fish are fed several times per day using big blowers mounted in Nova Scotia / Maine style 40ft lobster boats,& they have to tie up along the outside of cage. If you placed it in a relatively sheltered cove,it wouldn't be as rough as lying to anchor in same location.
These polyethylene pipe cages have been used for 30 yrs in Maine,Bay of Fundy,Norway,Chile etc.
Google Cooke Aquaculture.
Just throwing this in the mix-not saying it's practical to do $$ $wise,but it does definitely work. Cages are now up to 100M (330ft) dia. using 24" poly pipe.

Swallowtail Keepers Society: Floating Herring Weir

https://www.google.ca/search?q=salmo...kDc8yOGfDPM%3A



They build anything that floats,docks,even workboats,with that stuff up here
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Jackup Rigs? out of service....
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Gulf of Mexico? Cay Sal Banks?
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Re: Has Anyone Thought of Creating a Protected Marina in the Ocean?

It's not a new idea. "The World" was originally envisioned (IIRC) as a more of a man-made island, a sovereign nation free to travel outside any other nation's territorial waters. In the end it got scaled back to be just another cruise ship that happens to offer condo-like pricing on its cabins.

I remember old magazine articles (Popular Science?) that showed lawns, golf courses, full-service marinas, helipads, etc., all on a floating, movable platform. A more upscale version of the Water World habitation, if you will.

In the end the economics and politics are probably insurmountable.

If you're 3+ NM off the US coast, you're typically in federal waters, which means federal permits. You could do like the Chinese did and stake claim to some shallows somewhere, but it would likely be considered part of some country's territory or exclusionary economic zone.

Floating in unclaimed mid-ocean would mean you'd have to build on a massive scale to withstand storms and waves. Look what happens to oil platforms every time a hurricane blows through.

I'd love to see it happen. I'm thinking you'd need some sort of modular design to allow individual flotation sections to be raised for cleaning, repair and replacement. An interesting engineering problem. If it's big enough to withstand storms, it would have to be either impossibly stiff, or the floating "foundation" would have to flex with the waves without stressing structures above. I can picture a few ways of doing this, but I'm no expert.

The economics might work if it became a sovereign nation and favorable tax haven. Sort of a floating Switzerland, with enough wealthy folks from enough countries, each having a personal stake in its success.

If we continue at the current rate of population growth, it's bound to happen. But that's a big "if". There are a lot of known, and probably more than a few unknown, factors that may constrain that growth at some point.
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Interesting.... or it could be submarine or portions of it during hurricane force conditions.... or just locate it below the hurricane latitudes...

Or maybe we pass the hat around and just purchase Nevis or some such island in the South Pacific.... Passports anyone? Sea Plane terminal "a must"... Modern marina capable of 10,000 boats?....

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