Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 09-01-2015, 19:37   #31
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: TN. again
Boat: Hardin, force 50 CC 50'10"
Posts: 43
Re: Harbor rules: Remove boat for hurricane?

I have, 8 to be precise. Starting with Andrew ... not very pretty and very risky but with over kill ground tackle and a lot of prayers it can be done. The best thing to do in that area is hit mobile river and settle in ( up river ). I am not familiar with any Cain holes in TX. area.
__________________

__________________
ytquest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-01-2015, 20:08   #32
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: TN. again
Boat: Hardin, force 50 CC 50'10"
Posts: 43
Re: Harbor rules: Remove boat for hurricane?

RTB, Hells gate in Tequesta has Island break but up in Hobe Sound has a few holes. But the best I have found is up river in Saint Lucie if you can leave in time before the bridges close or jump outside for a rough ride. I rode most of mine out at hells gate. only drug once (Andrew).
HEAVY ground tackle, chain and 3 point anchoring with back up hook and plenty of chafe covering. Oh and a prayer !!!
__________________

__________________
ytquest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2015, 07:28   #33
cruiser

Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: North Charleston, SC
Boat: Camano Troll
Posts: 4,669
Re: Harbor rules: Remove boat for hurricane?

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTB View Post
Not very helpful (or nice).....

Ralph
It's the truth. Ignore it if you wish.
__________________
rwidman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2015, 08:24   #34
Registered User
 
Group9's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,599
Images: 7
Re: Harbor rules: Remove boat for hurricane?

My harbor, on the gulf coast of Mississippi requires that as well. (And, boats that have stayed there through hurricanes and tropical storms have not often fared well).

We all take our boats up the rivers and bayous to known hurricane holes when the evacuation order comes. Most of us would do that, even if not ordered to leave, because we like our boats.
__________________
Cruising again!
Group9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2015, 09:26   #35
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Orlando, FL
Boat: PDQ 32 DogHouse
Posts: 600
Re: Harbor rules: Remove boat for hurricane?

Quote:
Originally Posted by OldFrog75 View Post
I'm just curious because this isn't a problem in So. California. Personally I've never sailed in conditions stronger than a gale so I'm wondering how people handle this and whether sailing out into a hurricane is a viable option or whether they have an alternative safe harbor in mind they can motor to in advance of storm warnings.

Granted my only frame of reference is what I see in movies, but the prospect of being on a sailboat in 90mph winds and 50 foot waves is terrifying.

I sailed out into a hurricane once. It was on a destroyer and still not a very pleasant ride. No way I'd do it on my PDQ. A PO tried anchoring it out during Georges in the Keys. Boat was picked up and flipped. Boats can be fixed easier than people.


Sent from my iPhone using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________
amytom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2015, 09:32   #36
Registered User
 
Group9's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,599
Images: 7
Re: Harbor rules: Remove boat for hurricane?

Quote:
Originally Posted by amytom View Post
I sailed out into a hurricane once. It was on a destroyer and still not a very pleasant ride. No way I'd do it on my PDQ. A PO tried anchoring it out during Georges in the Keys. Boat was picked up and flipped. Boats can be fixed easier than people.


Sent from my iPhone using Cruisers Sailing Forum
My ex-father in law, was on a destroyer in Halsey's typhoon in the Pacific. He said it was the single worst experience he had in WW2.
__________________
Cruising again!
Group9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2015, 09:48   #37
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 37
Re: Harbor rules: Remove boat for hurricane?

Thread title says "harbor rules" but most posts are about marina rules. Hard to sort out...
__________________
wgewaldii is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2015, 09:49   #38
Moderator
 
HappyMdRSailor's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2008
Location: North Mississippi
Boat: 48 Wauquiez Pilot Saloon-C22 Chrysler Sunpiper- 19 Potter-Preparing to cruise w/my girl
Posts: 5,980
Re: Harbor rules: Remove boat for hurricane?

OP Quadrider....

FWIW... Not that I'm endorsing them.... BUT... BoatUS "used to" have a provision that they would pay 50% of a haul in a named warning...

The probability of being able to be one of the few boats to actually haul in time are of course next to zero....
__________________
In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair...

Mai Tai's fix everything...
HappyMdRSailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2015, 10:11   #39
Registered User
 
ranger42c's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Maryland, USA
Boat: 42' Sportfish
Posts: 2,984
Re: Harbor rules: Remove boat for hurricane?

BoatUS has published extensively on the topic. They usually recommend hauling/blocking, but they also point out many possible exceptions. Search their site.

It's also not uncommon that insurance policies cover at least some of the haul-out expenses for named events.

Around here it's quite common to haul/block for a hurricane event. Depends on the marina's capacity to do that, of course. And sometimes folks move their boats from their home marina to another that can pull quickly. Or to another that offers better in-water protection.

We stayed in what was our home slip for Isabel (2003), moved to a different marina and stayed in the water there for Irene (2011), and moved to yet another different marina and stayed in the water there for Sandy (2012). The first two were closer to us; Sandy further away so not so bad.

We only stayed in our home slip for Isabel because we had a 13' beam in a 24' wide slip... so I could put a bazillion long lines on the boat with some hope it wouldn't bounce against the piles and still handle the eventual storm surge afterwards. Worked out for us, but the surge was huge, the marina and nearby houses were flooded, and several of the small boats on wet lifts floated off a bit... but didn't land nicely on their bunks when they came back down.

Our current home marina can haul/block boats fairly efficiently, but I'm told their back lot was underwater during the Isabel surge. No boats damaged, but some cars were flooded. Anyway, I hadn't realized they could work so quickly, and that's why we moved for Irene/2011. The Sandy event (2012) became a bit of guesswork, trying to decide whether surge would be too great a risk to blocked boats (as it turned out to be, for the NJ/NY folks)... so we decide to move then, too, even though the marina could have hauled us in time.

I think at least one big take-away is that the solution is usually a bit situational.

-Chris
__________________
Selby Bay, South River, Chesapeake Bay, USA.
ranger42c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2015, 10:24   #40
RTB
Registered User
 
RTB's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Home port Kemah, TX Currently in Brunswick Georgia
Boat: Hunter 36
Posts: 1,509
Images: 2
Re: Harbor rules: Remove boat for hurricane?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ytquest View Post
RTB, Hells gate in Tequesta has Island break but up in Hobe Sound has a few holes. But the best I have found is up river in Saint Lucie if you can leave in time before the bridges close or jump outside for a rough ride. I rode most of mine out at hells gate. only drug once (Andrew).
HEAVY ground tackle, chain and 3 point anchoring with back up hook and plenty of chafe covering. Oh and a prayer !!!
Thanks for the info. I don't actually plan to get stuck in Florida during a hurricane. We spent the season of 2013 at Brunswick Landing Marina. That's probably where I'll be this year (July-October). Brunswick Landing Marina - A full service marina There always seems to be boatwork to be done, and equipment to install. Hurricane season is when I like to do that stuff, and BLM is a great place for that, as well as being a pretty safe place to hang out.

Ralph
RTB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2015, 11:06   #41
Senior Cruiser
 
Sailmonkey's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Houston
Boat: '76 Allied Seawind II, 32'
Posts: 5,780
Re: Harbor rules: Remove boat for hurricane?

In the clear lake area of Texas specifically, there are no where near enough slots to hard stand boats for storms, nobody hauls seasonally so the yard space is extremely limited.
As far as hiding up a bayou.....around here for the most part they're too shallow, with a few exceptions.


Sent from my iPhone using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________
Sailmonkey is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2015, 11:22   #42
Registered User
 
Julie Mor's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 401
Re: Harbor rules: Remove boat for hurricane?

When we were looking at harbors in SE Florida, there was one that was considered a hurricane hole. Some boat owners who didn't have a slip there had a slip available to them in the event of a hurricane, as long as there were slips empty. They also had a big waiting list.

A full time slip there wasn't cheap and there were a lot of empty slips. They probably could have taken 40 or so boats in bad weather. Of course, full timers could stay when the storm hit.

There were buildings all around it, condos mostly, and access was open to the north and connected to a narrow part of the Intracoastal. Building waves wouldn't be an issue, but wind and flying debris would. And there's the occasional boat that broke free to consider too.
__________________
“Believe me, my young friend, there is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats.”
― Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows
Julie Mor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2015, 16:01   #43
Head in a locker
 
Cavalier's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Houston, TX
Boat: Beneteau 461 47'
Posts: 879
Images: 1
Re: Harbor rules: Remove boat for hurricane?

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTB View Post
Thanks for the info. I don't actually plan to get stuck in Florida during a hurricane. We spent the season of 2013 at Brunswick Landing Marina. That's probably where I'll be this year (July-October). Brunswick Landing Marina - A full service marina There always seems to be boatwork to be done, and equipment to install. Hurricane season is when I like to do that stuff, and BLM is a great place for that, as well as being a pretty safe place to hang out.

Ralph


Brunswick's a great place.. Also happens to be one of the first sizable marinas which is above 30N (yet another typical hurricane provision) accessible from the GOM and Bahamas..
__________________
"By day the hot sun fermented us; and we were dizzied by the beating wind. At night we were stained by dew, and shamed into pettiness by the innumerable silences of stars."
Cavalier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2015, 06:21   #44
Registered User
 
Group9's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,599
Images: 7
Re: Harbor rules: Remove boat for hurricane?

Quote:
Originally Posted by wgewaldii View Post
Thread title says "harbor rules" but most posts are about marina rules. Hard to sort out...
I don't know of any "harbor" that requires people to leave. I know of plenty of marinas that have the word "harbor" in their name, my marina included, who do.

But, as much as I hate to bring up Florida anchoring laws in any context, I wonder what the policy is or will be for mooring fields during hurricanes. From what I've heard and seen about how many were installed, I wouldn't be sure a lot of them would be capable of holding a good sized boat in a real blow.

It will be interesting to see what happens the first time with those.
__________________
Cruising again!
Group9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13-01-2015, 07:06   #45
Registered User
 
Group9's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,599
Images: 7
Re: Harbor rules: Remove boat for hurricane?

Here are some pictures of boats who chose not to leave our harbor/marina harbor the last time we had a hurricane (and a mild Cat 1 at that).









__________________

__________________
Cruising again!
Group9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
hurricane, rule

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How do I Remove Boat Name "Shadows" from the Transom? FruiVita Construction, Maintenance & Refit 9 05-08-2013 16:11
Lessons Learned Hurricane Irene- Hurricane Hole Preparation jacob30 Weather | Gear, Reports and Resources 7 21-01-2012 08:51
Remove a Free Mast from an Anchored Boat ? masthead Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 28 26-08-2011 00:51
the best way to remove chalk on boot stripe? chuck711 Construction, Maintenance & Refit 4 19-02-2008 07:23
Bay County, FL, set to remove ferrocrete "junk vehicle" Amgine Cruising News & Events 0 18-09-2007 13:45



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 19:33.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.