Guns? Hunters?

[Lucky Larry]

Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey

I would agree 100% with you if CF was writing a book.

But it's an Internet Forum with the content created by the Members, the price of that is not always useful ........but a lot less work to edit than a book , and a lot more folks willing to contribute (how many would bother for any subject if they knew a chunk of their contributions would be deleted?).

DOJ,

I almost always enjoy reading your point of view as long as you stay away from politics.

In this case though I think that there are a lot of opinions that don't get posted because people choose not to offer opinion that could be helpful because they know that it will be followed by a useless and decidedly "un-nice" personal attack, rather than just a different opinion. This is especially true on the topics of guns, safety, and the defense of self, family, and (dare I say?) property.

When a new member asks a question on a different topic that has been extensively discussed someone usually replies with a link to the search function and a simple, but nice, comment that the topic has already been covered and that they should read those posts to see their answer.

For me, I just add the argumentative poster to my ignore list.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Lucky Larry

This is especially true on the topics of guns, safety, and the defense of self, family, and (dare I say?) property.

This is a boating site. BOA-TING! Would it surprise you to learn that I DON'T want to read anyone's opinion about guns, and the defense of self, family, and (dare you say?) property? At least not in the actual boating threads. There's a war room for that, and a thousand other websites besides.

(this thread has outlived its usefulness, it's now just carrion...)

[Sand crab]

Clocks ticking until this thread gets shut down. I bet today. I was right the last time, too.

[Andrew B.]

www.=World Wide Web. Differing beliefs, thoughts, opinions, cultures, experiences, etc., pretty much goes with the www. territory.

I just checked and sure enough "Ignore this thread" is listed under thread tools. Maybe you should consider using it.

"Add a healthy dose of the U.S. attitudes vs the world on personal guns," Really ?

Using your expert critique of how CF should operate I can't help but wonder if we shouldn't ban all threads that ask "What boat......" etc...
After all I bet almost anything, and everything concerning boats has surely been ask, and answered numerous times by now.

And I have read just as much heated, and at times not very nice replies concerning certain brands of boats. Ad nauseam.

Welcome to CF if you arrived late, to bad, so sad...just use the search feature.

Got the 50cal on the bow. Is a M60 enough protection for the stern ?

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Because it's a boating site, maybe?

Because gun threads almost invariably become venues for debating the whole gun issue. Some do it earnestly because their position on guns is close to a religion; some pile in because they enjoy trolling the first group.

Add a healthy dose of the U.S. attitudes vs the world on personal guns, and let boil til mods declare it done.

Just about every conceivable gun/boat question has been asked and answered in this forum, so there's really no pressing reason to permit any more gun questions, unless there's a genuinely new question to be asked.

I've been told it's improper to talk politics or religion in polite company, guns are a religious AND political topic, so I'd be thrilled if the mods would crush any gun post that doesn't genuinely relate or contribute to the subject of BOATS. or at least banish them from the boating related sections.There's plenty of other internet venues for people to wank on about gun issues.

[LakeSuperior]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

This is a boating site. BOA-TING! Would it surprise you to learn that I DON'T want to read anyone's opinion about guns, and the defense of self, family, and (dare you say?) property? At least not in the actual boating threads. There's a war room for that, and a thousand other websites besides.

(this thread has outlived its usefulness, it's now just carrion...)

Seems like it would be trivial for you not to go to a thread titled "Guns? Hunters?" You could let the rest of us unwashed masses chew the fat about it without the need to interrupt the free flow of thoughts and ideas.

In fact, you could spend your time on threads relating purely to BOA-TING! What a concept!!

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by LakeSuperior

Seems like it would be trivial for you not to go to a thread titled "Guns? Hunters?" You could let the rest of us unwashed masses chew the fat about it without the need to interrupt the free flow of thoughts and ideas.

In fact, you could spend your time on threads relating purely to BOA-TING! What a concept!!

This particular forum is:

Cruisers & Sailing Forums > The Life Aquatic Aboard a Boat > Liveaboard's Forum

Not the "let's yammer on about guns yet again" forum. I kind of thought I was on a BOA-TING forum. Who knew?

[LakeSuperior]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

This particular forum is:

Cruisers & Sailing Forums > The Life Aquatic Aboard a Boat > Liveaboard's Forum

Not the "let's yammer on about guns yet again" forum. I kind of thought I was on a BOA-TING forum. Who knew?

Really?? what did you expect when you opened a thread titled "Guns? Hunters?" I honestly want your answer on this question.

[Tellie]

Perhaps a new rule on gun threads could solve a lot of problems.
Allow only one response from any one poster to any one gun thread.
Might hurt the feelings of a few habitual gun thread posters, but like the fact that these threads have been done to death and nothing new comes from them, the same can be said as to the opinions of the same repetitive responders.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by Andrew B.

I just checked and sure enough "Ignore this thread" is listed under thread tools. Maybe you should consider using it.

"Add a healthy dose of the U.S. attitudes vs the world on personal guns," Really ?

I just checked, this is still a boating forum, and the WWW is apparently awash with other forums on guns and politics and such. Many more than for boating. Why must gun politics infest every other forum? Why must I go away, when you're off-topic?

The US/world attitudes on guns -maybe I wasn't clear. Do you disagree that there is a difference in the way the US views personal gun ownership vs many if not most other countries? Clearly this is a difference that guarantees friction, and is not likely to be resolved on a boating forum. So, yet another reason not to bring the gun subject up.

(Die thread die. Now would be good)

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by Lucky Larry

DOJ,

I almost always enjoy reading your point of view as long as you stay away from politics.

Lol, you have a point , if I ran the world...........even I would leave .

In this case though I think that there are a lot of opinions that don't get posted because people choose not to offer opinion that could be helpful because they know that it will be followed by a useless and decidedly "un-nice" personal attack, rather than just a different opinion. This is especially true on the topics of guns, safety, and the defense of self, family, and (dare I say?) property.

You have another good point. On some topics (the boat related stuff) CF is pretty damned good , on others (per your list) not so much .

I blame Obama .

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by LakeSuperior

Really?? what did you expect when you opened a thread titled "Guns? Hunters?" I honestly want your answer on this question.

Well, the OP contained one useful question, and a few actual, useful answers were given in the thread. And that should have been the end of the thread... except that you and i know what inevitably happens.

My answer is - why is that thread allowed to continue past the point of usefulness, given the reaction that invariably occurs? Why is a gun politics free-for-all a necessary component of a boating forum?

[LakeSuperior]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Well, the OP contained one useful question, and a few actual, useful answers were given in the thread. And that should have been the end of the thread... except that you and i know what inevitably happens.

My answer is - why is that thread allowed to continue past the point of usefulness, given the reaction that invariably occurs? Why is a gun politics free-for-all a necessary component of a boating forum?

I mean the following with all respect. Why continue to read a thread once you have determined it has continued past the point of usefulness? Why not go on with your business instead?

Also, why do you feel the need to bend CF into a model of what you think it should be? If folks want to talk about guns on boats just DON'T READ THE THREADs containing those discussions. Pretty simple I think.

Lot's of folks like guns, own guns, use guns for hunting, use guns for hobby, use guns as a component of being safe afloat. Nothing you say or do will change these facts.

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by LakeSuperior

Lot's of folks like guns, own guns, use guns for hunting, use guns for hobby, use guns as a component of being safe afloat. Nothing you say or do will change these facts.

Like religion, like sex, like race, like politics... guns is a lightning-rod topic. Bringing it up on a public, world-wide forum guarantees dissent. Are you not getting enough gun discussion elsewhere that you hafta do it here too?

[sailorboy1]

actually some of us LIKE gun threads, we are after all on CF as much for entertainment as learning

gun threads (and some others) are good examples of why the world can not really get along

[Piglet]

Sex is a lightning rod topic? Who doesn't like sex???