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Old 09-06-2014, 19:03   #16
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Re: Do Crew Need their own Room?

Interesting to follow this and hear from the sail side. On the power side it would be a given, but then seldom does a power boat have crew unless it's at least 60'.

I would agree than young and fancy free probably doesn't matter, but older crew I'd think wouldn't want to sleep like they did when they were 18 and begging for anything.
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Re: Do Crew Need their own Room?

Not to mention that the crew probably will come in two distinct flavors: young enough to provide the muscle and old enough to know how to use muscle.

The second variety may have medical issues that you don't want to watch.

YOU might be more comfortable if they have their own stateroom.
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Re: Do Crew Need their own Room?

That 8yo is going to want privacy in about 4 years so I wouldn't remove her space.

As for fussy crew, there are plenty of people who aren't.
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Curious though, why would you take crew on for such an extended time?
I guess that's what I've seen other people do, and what I did last time. Once we settled into a groove with someone, it was natural for them to stay a long time. I had one person from Rarotonga to Malaysia (~1 year), another from Samoa to Bali (8 months?), another from Darwin to Singapore (4 months)?

I haven't had anyone join the boat by hopping on a plane. A few have said they would, then change their mind at the last moment. Crew is generally someone who is already there. So I figure it's better, if we want help for the longer passages through the Pacific, to find someone who will stay the whole time.

I know lots of folks get crew for just Panama to Marquessas, and the crew flys away from the Marquessas or Tahiti. But have you guys had any luck with getting someone to, say, fly into Fiji for the trip to New Zealand? Tickets to those places are so expensive.
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Re: Do Crew Need their own Room?

Interesting, unusual in my experience, but whatever works for you is best for you.

After a week or two at most, even with good friends aboard as guests, we are usually ready to have our space back.
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Re: Do Crew Need their own Room?

The point I was trying to make is that captain grows tired of crew and vice versa. Not that they fly out but change boats. That was my experience as well as what I witnessed on other boats. Maybe I and some others were just cranky:-). I know two crew members that I kicked off in Tahiti hopped on another boat to New Caledonia and when I met up with them there we all realized that we should have stuck it out as they got on a not so fun boat and I replaced them with one good crew and one very very bad crew. I did find a crew willing to pay her way from Tonga to Tahiti to get on the boat, although I wound up paying a part of that airfare as she had to fly via Australia and picked up a major boat part for me.
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Re: Do Crew Need their own Room?

many backpackers travel with RTW tickets so to pick up in tahiti or fiji and drop off in aus or nz will not cost them any more than they have all ready paid for their ticket.

generally find people get itchy feet after 2-3 months,though have had crew that stayed for 6!

also find with backpackers that they like to do a passage then go off traveling in the area, then find another yacht or fly,fiji is good for finding crew wanting to get to aus,vanuatu or nz.

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I think also as we talk power vs. sail we have to distinguish paid crew vs. non-paid. Power boats up to 60' if you have any crew it's much like sailing, just friends. They're guests, not being paid, but enjoying the trip with you. Sleeping arrangements then are based on whatever type relationships you have. Above 60' in power, crew is often paid. There the expectations on both sides are much different. They aren't going to normally bail on you part way. But then they also expect certain crew accommodations.

I know someone with a 60 Princess who likes to have a captain. The crew cabin on that boat is so bad that he never is able to get the same one twice.

But then that says too that on different boats people expect different conditions. If it's a 32' Trawler or sailboat, one should understand up front that sleeping arrangements are limited. If it's 200' they expect luxury even for crew.

There is no right or wrong on accommodations, just what one agrees to. I fully understand the experienced crew lady who said "no." But others might be fine with it.
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I think also as we talk power vs. sail we have to distinguish paid crew vs. non-paid. Power boats up to 60' if you have any crew it's much like sailing, just friends. They're guests, not being paid, but enjoying the trip with you. Sleeping arrangements then are based on whatever type relationships you have. Above 60' in power, crew is often paid. There the expectations on both sides are much different. They aren't going to normally bail on you part way. But then they also expect certain crew accommodations.

I know someone with a 60 Princess who likes to have a captain. The crew cabin on that boat is so bad that he never is able to get the same one twice.

But then that says too that on different boats people expect different conditions. If it's a 32' Trawler or sailboat, one should understand up front that sleeping arrangements are limited. If it's 200' they expect luxury even for crew.

There is no right or wrong on accommodations, just what one agrees to. I fully understand the experienced crew lady who said "no." But others might be fine with it.
Indeed. In any deal -- where two parties are trying to sell each other something, it pays to make what you offer as attractive as possible. That way you have a better chance of finding someone who is also offering something attractive to you.

If it were me, I would not leave my 8 year old child in a separate cabin and hope to find a useful crewman willing to sleep in a pilot berth. A pilot berth is a great place for an 8 year old child anyway. When I was 11 years old, I slept a whole summer in a little nook above the cab of a little camper with 5 other people while we traveled all over Europe and was blissfully happy.

To find a useful crewman I would offer reasonable accommodation, good company, good food and drink, and a fun trip. Then you can hope to have your choice of a few good folks who will enhance your trip in every way.

If on the other hand you are offering a pallet in the engine room and slops for food, say, what do you hope to get? It's an exchange like any other.
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Re: Do Crew Need their own Room?

they don't make crew like they used to.....................soft buggers these days imho...

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Perhaps todays crew is smarter than those olden days. The insist on safety and decent treatment. They don't put their lives at risk to accommodate someone else's unreasonable demands. The prepare better and manage risks more diligently. Many ways to look at it.

Honor in doing a truly necessary journey in difficult conditions. No honor in risking one's life unnecessarily and especially not the lives of others. Success on a rather stupid undertaking should get somewhat muted recognition.

Personally, I want my crew capable of handling dangerous situations but I also want them to be attentive to avoiding them. I want a captain who will say "no" when appropriate. I value good judgement equal to courage.
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Perhaps todays crew is smarter than those olden days. The insist on safety and decent treatment. They don't put their lives at risk to accommodate someone else's unreasonable demands. The prepare better and manage risks more diligently. Many ways to look at it.

Honor in doing a truly necessary journey in difficult conditions. No honor in risking one's life unnecessarily and especially not the lives of others. Success on a rather stupid undertaking should get somewhat muted recognition.

Personally, I want my crew capable of handling dangerous situations but I also want them to be attentive to avoiding them. I want a captain who will say "no" when appropriate. I value good judgement equal to courage.
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I'd happily take the pilot berth if it gave me experience. Shame I'm not local or I'd snap your hands off!

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