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Old 27-09-2014, 19:50   #136
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A corrupt official has no respect for you period. He wants what he wants.
sheesh!
I think its called "baksheesh".
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Old 28-09-2014, 15:30   #137
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A corrupt official has no respect for you period. He wants what he wants.
sheesh!
But. Unless you are facing a credible threat of personal harm, are witholding your passport and or, other documents necessary to legally clear out and into the next country; or are refusing to release critically needed repair parts, you can agree to pay, but only if provided a receipt. Otherwise, you can also test the 'corrupt officials' resolve by simply refusing to pay whether or not you get a receipt. In either case if you get a receipt as 'proof' of the payment it can be used in the very least to report the incident. If more comfortable for you, reporting can be done after your departure by mail or possibly over the internet. However, if your objective is to recover at least part of your payment, one and probably more visits with your 'proof' to the proper jurisdictional authority may be required. In countries like Putin's Russia, corruption runs so deep there is no effective, honest jurisdictional authority to receive your report. For the sake of the cruising community - of which you are a part in the eyes of others - there are moral and ethical reasons you should at least try. Avoid the temptation to take the easy path to just pay and move on...

Just because a corrupt official "...wants what he wants" doesn't mean he's necessarily going to get it. Ultimately it's up to you and your assessment of the possibilities..
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Russia and most of the former USSR countries are not very religious but still are the most corrupt in any index of corruption.

I believe the corruption on the local level exists everywhere. It's part of human nature. Only in developed countries it is called by other more palatable names - political contributions, networking, country club comraderie, etc. A cop who hides behind a bush thicket to catch you speeding because his chief needs fines to augument the dept's budget is no less corrupt than a cop in Mexico who "honestly" asks you to augument his family budget.
Russia not religious?! Russia emerges as Europe's most God-believing nation - CSMonitor.com

Besides, my point is simply that that if religion spawned morality, then places that are least religious ought to, ipso facto, be most corrupt. Not the case, obviously.
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Yes, Libya, Chad and the Sudan are deeply religious.
I can assume you have never been to these places?
My point. Exactly.
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Ahhhh yes. Republica Dominicana. Wonderful place if you are prepared and KNOW where you are going. I would bet my bottom dollar that the OP had this problem first in Samana, or (probably) at the government dock in Puerto Plata. NEVER check into either of these places. If the OP would have read up on a cruising guide (online free) of the DR, this would have been spelled out. Not going to go into particulars because I don't want to go back and fourth about the DR. I've lived in the Caribbean with the DR as my home port for the last 23 years. So, a little piece of advice from a salty ol sailor. When cruising, carry 1 or preferably 2 large bags of change (lots of pennys is ok). After you have paid what is required and a little propina (tip) because it is a very poor country, when asked for more money simply shrug and say that you don't have anymore. it's important to look serious because they are going to pressure you into paying them more money and if you are in POP Govt. dock or Samana Govt. Dock, you have the Commidante and three or four guys with M16's on your boat. Heres the trick. Look worried (like you have to) and say "Oh wait a minute.. I know where more money is". Go down below grab your change bags, bring them topside and with help of your significant other or crew, start counting out change. DON'T LOOK AT THEM. Be worried and trying to count the change. They will leave, and you can have a wonderful laugh at their expense! Remember, You also have to pay to check out of the DR too, and one payment requires pesos, so make sure you have 200 on hand for the navy. maybe another 200 for propina tambien!

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Old 29-09-2014, 17:23   #141
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I've lived in the Caribbean with the DR as my home port for the last 23 years.
On another thread, you stated you were in the middle of a circumnavigation in 2001.

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On another thread, you stated you were in the middle of a circumnavigation in 2001.

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Well, it technically is possible to be in the middle of a circumnavigation AND be living in the DR for the past 23yrs. There is no time limit for those things after all….

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On another thread, you stated you were in the middle of a circumnavigation in 2001.

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Indeed Mr. wannastartafight. FYI, I work with Industrial desalination systems from Nassau to Trinidad and every island (except a few) in between. Guess what? I circumnavigate A LOT! I have a career where I actually get paid to sail the Caribbean. How sweet is that. BTW, You win.. Now we can be friends again!
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You are all so nieve. Police and military in most countries make very little money. When I am in Jamaica for instance, I have a modest denomination prepared for any constabulary. I smile, make light conversation and hand him money before he asks.
Dominican Republic is no different. But if you don't want to learn any other language but American, than stay at home.


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Re: Crooks In Dominican Republic

This thread has gotten way out of hand.
  1. I hired the delivery crew that got sick and had to leave the boat.
  2. I was left to bring the boat back with only another crew member ( who was a good navigator).
  3. I had no plans to stop in the DR. The planing was left to the delivery crew.
  4. I left the trip up to delivery crew.
  5. If I would have known I would have to stop in a foreign country I would have studied up on Spanish.
  6. A lot of lessons were learned.

People posted all kinds of making demands to make like receipts , going to the person's supervisor and just not paying . Well, until you have been in a situation in the DR, with the Military you have no clue .
YOU DO NOT ARGUE WITH THE MAN CARRYING THE GUN!!!!

When armed officials come on You, You do whatever is needed.
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This thread has gotten way out of hand.
  1. I hired the delivery crew that got sick and had to leave the boat.
  2. I was left to bring the boat back with only another crew member ( who was a good navigator).
  3. I had no plans to stop in the DR. The planing was left to the delivery crew.
  4. I left the trip up to delivery crew.
  5. If I would have known I would have to stop in a foreign country I would have studied up on Spanish.
  6. A lot of lessons were learned.

People posted all kinds of making demands to make like receipts , going to the person's supervisor and just not paying . Well, until you have been in a situation in the DR, with the Military you have no clue .
YOU DO NOT ARGUE WITH THE MAN CARRYING THE GUN!!!!

When armed officials come on You, You do whatever is needed.
I believe if you go back and read comments where posters recommend obtaining a receipt, asking for a supervisor and testing the resolve of an official demanding illegal payment by refusing to pay, NOBODY HAS ADVISED CONFRONTING ANYONE WITH A WEAPON.

Cruisers need to apply good judgement in whatever they do, but simply acquiescing to illegal demands for payment will do nothing but encourage the miscreants over time, making the situation worse. Anyone who pays before even being asked is doing the cruising community a huge disservice.
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