Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 22-07-2014, 20:31   #46
Registered User

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Vancouver, Wash.
Boat: no longer on my Cabo Rico 38 Sanderling
Posts: 1,794
Send a message via MSN to John A
Re: Checking in and out of the Bahamas with Guns Aboard

I was cruising for ten years and I'm thankful that I didn't have a gun when I awoke from a nap, during a night passage to St. Croix. The people that scared me almost to death when they boarded my boat were USCG.
__________________

__________________
John A is offline  
Old 22-07-2014, 20:54   #47
cruiser

Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 81
Re: Checking in and out of the Bahamas with Guns Aboard

Quote:
Originally Posted by glplargo View Post
I have not cruised into Mexico but I have been there a few times in the past four years and made a point to research their gun laws. Despite the fact that the Mexican Constitution has a near exact copy of our Second Amendment in it, they do not interpret it anything like we do and the Mexican authorities are pretty intolerant of firearm possession by mere citizens. Any one who does get a permit is only allowed to possess the gun in their home; transporting it to a gunsmith or a range requires a separate transportation permit. And citizens are only allowed to possess "non-military" firearms, which basically means shotguns or .32 caliber and smaller. Any calibers larger than a .32 is considered contraband and is a prison offense. This includes the ammo, not just the gun. My understanding is that if you declare your weapons they will confiscate the "non-military" ammo and guns (you might get them back when you leave) and you will be in a lot of trouble if you declare the larger calibers. It is possible to get a permit but I've heard it takes a long time and is impractical for cruisers.
welcome to CF.noticed this was first post.we must have been typing at same time and you are probably right-on about "over.32 cal not .38cal".personally i dont spend much time researching gun-laws beforehand but i usually declare.i have fired a warning shot out the port-hole once and it worked like a charm.i dont ever want to clear the deck red but i will if they dont leave fast.even a flare-gun fired right away would work and it attracts attention which most thieves dont want.there really isnt a big problem in the islands with "unauthorized boardings" in most areas.however as with most tools it is wise to have one when needed.years ago i saw DR customs carrying what looked to be 4-5 rifles off the dock.at that time all we bothered to have was a 12gauge and were allowed to keep it onboard. now times have got worse and i use different tools that i would rather not mention as thieves break-in when your onshore because they want the tools you left onboard. never wise to advertise you got pistolas in every cabin drawer.and a loaded 12 gauge .after-all .what good use is an unusable tool when you only got seconds to react. fairwinds and godspeed.
__________________

__________________
su2014 is offline  
Old 22-07-2014, 21:01   #48
cruiser

Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 81
Re: Checking in and out of the Bahamas with Guns Aboard

Quote:
Originally Posted by John A View Post
I was cruising for ten years and I'm thankful that I didn't have a gun when I awoke from a nap, during a night passage to St. Croix. The people that scared me almost to death when they boarded my boat were USCG.
yes . same happened to us in Dominica{loud navy gunboat} ,DR{agent in small fishing skiff} and USCG several times but never at night while anchored.i am not from texas so i dont shoot first and ask questions later. thou shall not shed innocent blood is my motto as well as maintain the right.fairwinds and godspeed.
__________________
su2014 is offline  
Old 23-07-2014, 06:11   #49
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Daphne Alabama
Boat: Bristol 35
Posts: 399
Re: Checking in and out of the Bahamas with Guns Aboard

Thanks for the info. Looks like we'll be doing a lot of cruising to Bahamas, other places will have to be decided upon. I guess perhaps it's an American thing- wanting our guns- but it's a mind set and we won't be changing it any time soon. I think we'd feel naked with out them.
__________________
biker6977 is offline  
Old 23-07-2014, 06:21   #50
Registered User
 
JK n Smitty's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Hingham, MA
Boat: Catalina 310
Posts: 637
Re: Checking in and out of the Bahamas with Guns Aboard

How do people keep them secure is the question I am trying to figure out. Did you install some kind of safe? Just a trigger lock and put them in a locker?

I have been looking at this shotgun safe. My thought is to mount it to a bulk head but it wouldn't take much more that a crow bar to get it off the bulk head. But it could be stored in a secure way that would be legal in the state I live in for now and even if someone got it off the wall they would still need to cut open the safe to be able to fire the gun. My thought is to put a Mossberg 500 Mariner in it. Any thoughts from those who are traveling with shot guns?

Thanks,

Jesse
__________________
http://svsmitty.wordpress.com/
JK n Smitty is offline  
Old 23-07-2014, 13:22   #51
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2014
Boat: Still Searching
Posts: 162
Re: Checking in and out of the Bahamas with guns aboard

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailor_Hutch View Post
I'm a big fan of empirical data. I'll leave the generalized statistics and the flawed doctoral studies to those folks who need to demonize coffee for causing cancer.

So, I am curious. For all those who responded, could you please give us the (approximate) number of years you've been sailing the waters about which we speak (Bahamas, ICW) - and match it with the number of times you've needed to use or threaten to use your weapons?

Thanks in advance.
I don't keep guns, but just felt that I should point out that the empirical data does exist. Not so much for the Carrib. but around Somalia and other piracy hot spots globally. After the peak piracy period around 2011, ships started carrying long range rifles and/or employing security teams aboard. I've read through all reported attempts and boardings from 2013 and 2014 to date. It breaks down like this...

There were a few hostile boardings/attacks, but none of those vessels had and/or used a long range weapon for defense.

While not nearly as many as in 2011, there were still a decent number of piracy attempts during the last 18 months. In over 90% of reported attempts, warning flares were set off first as soon as the suspect vessel was close enough that the ship could see weapons and/or ladders through high powered binoculars. Roughly 20-30% of the time the suspect vessel stopped after the flares. For those who didn't stop, warning shots were fired with long range rifles just close enough to let them know the seriousness of the situation. An additional 60% or so stopped at this point. For the last 10-20% who didn't stop at the warning shot, there were a couple additional rounds fired directly at the approaching vessel. Every one of these vessels fled.

What empirical data does exist strongly suggests that defensive weapons are the only thing that has been successful in both thwarting and deterring piracy. Attacks on boats are not part of some kind of turf war. The pirates simply want a pay day and are not prepared to die for it. But it should also be noted that short range weapons have not been shown as effective, including handguns and shotguns. They are very effective in short range situations like home invasion, but for piracy, the long range rifle is the only things that has proven itself in more than just an isolated incident.

Basically, pirates are not petty thieves who sneak aboard at night and try to steal your dinghy. Most of those will be scared off by a good loud yell. ANY firearm is equally effective against petty thieves as they really try to avoid confrontation at all cost. Pirates are a different story. They fully expect confrontation, and the likely intent is full confiscation of the vessel and/or hostages for ransom. They often carry long range weapons themselves, so by the time they are within range of a shotgun or handgun, you've probably lost the fight already. The best bet is to get them to turn around and leave before they get too close, which has only been accomplished consistently to this point via long range rifles.
__________________
Certeza is offline  
Old 23-07-2014, 13:50   #52
cruiser

Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 81
Re: Checking in and out of the Bahamas with Guns Aboard

yes certeza, that area off somalia is to be avoided i figure.a boatload of guys with ak-47s coming after you in broad daylight aint a healthy sign i figure unless your on the deck of a container ship shooting back from 400 metres.our tools are kept for those remote times when a simple shot from a flaregun doesnt work.never heard of boatloads of pirates sporting ak-47s anywhere in the carib fromFLA down to trinidad or brazil.have heard of a recent machette attack in a remote anchorage recently. recall 3 were arrested later.fairwinds and godspeed.
__________________
su2014 is offline  
Old 23-07-2014, 14:12   #53
cruiser

Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 81
Re: Checking in and out of the Bahamas with Guns Aboard

[QUOTE=JK n Smitty;1590633]How do people keep them secure is the question I am trying to figure out. Did you install some kind of safe? Just a trigger lock and put them in a locker?

if you want to keep them secure when your onshore than bolt a steel box to something solid. most just use combination-type or key-type triggerlocks and leave it close to where they sleep.legal and safe as most places dont specify stored empty or loaded just locked.as you typed most will just crowbar it off the bulkhead or whatever if what they want are your guns.put your spearguns in the steel box is my advice and put your 12 gauge by your bed.what good is your mariner locked in a steel box if 2-3 machette maniacs are breaking through your cockpit door.you only got seconds to react. fairwinds and godspeed
__________________
su2014 is offline  
Old 07-09-2014, 11:07   #54
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: May 2013
Location: East Africa
Boat: catalac 10m
Posts: 351
Re: Checking in and out of the Bahamas with Guns Aboard

invention usefull for armed cruisers, a ditchbag for the guns, that can be inflated by remote, after it has been ditched from yacht, in order to revupsrate later when customs, other law enforcement gas searched shop. The gadget would be enhanced by a beacon that can give its position to scanner, app on smart phone or tablet, or just do mob on yr gps. A fast ditch method for surprise visits by law enforcement very usefull.


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________
Goosebumps is offline  
Old 09-09-2014, 10:59   #55
Registered User
 
DailyLunatic's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Oklahoma City Oklahoma
Posts: 39
Re: Checking in and out of the Bahamas with Guns Aboard

Quote:
Originally Posted by Goosebumps View Post
invention usefull for armed cruisers, a ditchbag for the guns, that can be inflated by remote, after it has been ditched from yacht, in order to revupsrate later when customs, other law enforcement gas searched shop. The gadget would be enhanced by a beacon that can give its position to scanner, app on smart phone or tablet, or just do mob on yr gps. A fast ditch method for surprise visits by law enforcement very usefull.
I got too much Boy Scout in me to try to evade the law that way.

-sterling
__________________
DailyLunatic is offline  
Old 09-09-2014, 11:07   #56
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: May 2013
Location: East Africa
Boat: catalac 10m
Posts: 351
Re: Checking in and out of the Bahamas with Guns Aboard

invention I suggested was not to solve the legal, consciental or ethical part of the guns on board problem, nor to suggest to circumvent the law, but reality has it that cruisers can be extremely vulnerable to violent crime. I personally dont carry arms on board and have never needed any. Then again i suppose i havent visited high crime cruising areas. Although lots of pirate akarm just north of where i cruise, communities of north mozambique, majority muslim, have no tendency to violent crime.


Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________
Goosebumps is offline  
Old 09-09-2014, 12:04   #57
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: michigan
Boat: CORBIN 39
Posts: 301
Re: Checking in and out of the Bahamas with guns aboard

Quote:
Originally Posted by onestepcsy37 View Post
Not going to get in to a gun debate, but I do find it interesting that only Americans bring guns in to the Bahamas, and probably the Caribean as well. Never heard of a Canadian or other nationality even discuss the subject.

Sent from my GT-P3113 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
you must remember Americans are gun nuts, NRA and ISIS? same thing, different haircuts, different religion
__________________
sailr69 is offline  
Old 11-09-2014, 06:05   #58
cruiser

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Palm City, Florida
Boat: Slocum 37
Posts: 89
Re: Checking in and out of the Bahamas with guns aboard

Quote:
Originally Posted by sailr69 View Post
you must remember Americans are gun nuts, NRA and ISIS? same thing, different haircuts, different religion
ISIS the same thing? The two guys that lost their heads would disagree. Did you ever think that some of us Americans have guns because the US gun culture dictates it. When you have over 250 million Americans with guns you are a fool if you don't at least have a shotgun and a 9mm. That's entry level in the US. Canadian's don't have to carry because we have always had their back.

BZT
PS I would never go down island without being armed. In todays world that's just common sense. Idealism will get you killed....
__________________
BZT54 is offline  
Old 11-09-2014, 06:11   #59
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: May 2013
Location: East Africa
Boat: catalac 10m
Posts: 351
Re: Checking in and out of the Bahamas with Guns Aboard

ok thats it am out of gun debate



Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
__________________
Goosebumps is offline  
Old 11-09-2014, 06:35   #60
cruiser

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Palm City, Florida
Boat: Slocum 37
Posts: 89
Re: Checking in and out of the Bahamas with Guns Aboard

Quote:
Originally Posted by Goosebumps View Post
ok thats it am out of gun debate



Sent from my iPad using Cruisers Sailing Forum
You must be Canadian.....
BZT
__________________

__________________
BZT54 is offline  
Closed Thread

Tags
Bahamas, Guns, bahamas, guns

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Flare-guns and other alternatives (excluding guns) as weapons BlueSovereign Health, Safety & Related Gear 5 26-03-2009 08:01



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:25.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.