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Old 17-03-2009, 04:13   #1
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Bavaria Lagoon 390 - First Purchase - Buy or Not?

Background :
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Im coming close to making my choice for a boat to be heading to the Meditteranean from the UK, and then onwards out of the med probably to the caribbean.

I have heard so many people say "stay away from Bav/Ben/Jen" and so many people say "I have one and have been using it for years as a live aboard, long distance cruiser - its been great".

So, clearly horses for courses, and each to their own.

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THE ISSUE
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So, bearing all the old opinions in mind about such brands, what do people know about the Bavaria lagoon 390?

I didnt want to go aboard the bavaria 390 at the brokers, but the broker persisted that I should look at it and said "its not like the newer bavarias - its a completely different creature".

It was in better condition than every other boat I saw of its age, and looked almost like new (as have all the other Bav 390Ls I have seen) - a testament to the build quality of Bavaria in the early to Mid 1990s.

This model has an "A1" build quality certification from Lloyds of London, only a few brands like westerly have such a certification as far as I know. It certifies that the boat has been built properly and to a certain strength - it is not an easily obtainable certificate.

This happened a few days ago at an Ancasta brokers shop, Ancasta are a large and reputable international brokerage; The broker has a westerly to sell, and he was not selling the Bav 390L. Although he said he would rather have the Bav 390L over the Westerly or the Moody for long distance cruising, as it is better built and was a more expensive boat than its comparitive Moodys & Westerlys in the day.

Everyone I have spoken to knows about old Bavs and said "great boat, lots of boat for the money" etc.

I have come close to out ruling many other boats, and things like the Bowman 46 Yawl is just too big for me to handle on my own, I also dont relish the fight with a long keel in european harbours even with crew.

Further: The seaworthy boats like Rivals, Sigmas, Westerlys etc just dont really have the accommodation I am looking for: master aft cabin, +2 other cabins & saloon, the sea worthy boats are all too narrow - and dont have bow thrusters, in mast furling or other things that will make it more comfortable to single handed sail.

My compromise is that I want spacious accomodation - as well as something strong and reliable.

Unfortunately, all boats in Europe are now 30% more exepensive due to the poor pound to euro exchange rate, and I have had to rethink my ambitions in terms of what I can buy. So this Bav 390Lagoon is rapidly becoming favourite.

A 1980s Moody 42 would be great, but finding one with the right gear in the right condition is very hard -the Bav is looking like the best option.

If Im about to do something Ill regret - please can you advise?

Thanks
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Old 16-10-2009, 07:32   #2
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There's info on the net about lost rudders on the Moody 42, lost keels on Bavaria's - so check this out and let a qualified surveyor inspect the boat before you buy to be sure your money is well spend.

There's a design reason why sail boats are a kind of "narrow" and don't have the max. width far aft and there's a marketing reason why you find huge space in the aft, but that doesn't add a bit to seaworthiness or sailing/handling qualities.
If your boat is well designed,balanced and your a capable captain you don't need a bow thruster or in mast furling for comfortable sailing.
Sinking pound? - try the poor dollar - a lot of quality boats in the US!
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To buy or not to buy that is the question

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Background :
___________
Im coming close to making my choice for a boat to be heading to the Meditteranean from the UK, and then onwards out of the med probably to the caribbean.

I have heard so many people say "stay away from Bav/Ben/Jen" and so many people say "I have one and have been using it for years as a live aboard, long distance cruiser - its been great".

So, clearly horses for courses, and each to their own.

_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*

THE ISSUE
_________

So, bearing all the old opinions in mind about such brands, what do people know about the Bavaria lagoon 390?

I didnt want to go aboard the bavaria 390 at the brokers, but the broker persisted that I should look at it and said "its not like the newer bavarias - its a completely different creature".

It was in better condition than every other boat I saw of its age, and looked almost like new (as have all the other Bav 390Ls I have seen) - a testament to the build quality of Bavaria in the early to Mid 1990s.

This model has an "A1" build quality certification from Lloyds of London, only a few brands like westerly have such a certification as far as I know. It certifies that the boat has been built properly and to a certain strength - it is not an easily obtainable certificate.

This happened a few days ago at an Ancasta brokers shop, Ancasta are a large and reputable international brokerage; The broker has a westerly to sell, and he was not selling the Bav 390L. Although he said he would rather have the Bav 390L over the Westerly or the Moody for long distance cruising, as it is better built and was a more expensive boat than its comparitive Moodys & Westerlys in the day.

Everyone I have spoken to knows about old Bavs and said "great boat, lots of boat for the money" etc.

I have come close to out ruling many other boats, and things like the Bowman 46 Yawl is just too big for me to handle on my own, I also dont relish the fight with a long keel in european harbours even with crew.

Further: The seaworthy boats like Rivals, Sigmas, Westerlys etc just dont really have the accommodation I am looking for: master aft cabin, +2 other cabins & saloon, the sea worthy boats are all too narrow - and dont have bow thrusters, in mast furling or other things that will make it more comfortable to single handed sail.

My compromise is that I want spacious accomodation - as well as something strong and reliable.

Unfortunately, all boats in Europe are now 30% more exepensive due to the poor pound to euro exchange rate, and I have had to rethink my ambitions in terms of what I can buy. So this Bav 390Lagoon is rapidly becoming favourite.

A 1980s Moody 42 would be great, but finding one with the right gear in the right condition is very hard -the Bav is looking like the best option.

If Im about to do something Ill regret - please can you advise?

Thanks
M
Hi there
To buy or not to buy
Coming close to buy a boat myself I am in the same dilemma.
I found this Bavaria 390 Lagoon on sale in Greece and I am going to see her next weak. I am trying to find any info on the net about this boats with no success. The boat was made in 1989 and it is the one with the owners cabin.
The other boat I am looking is a Moody S38 1997,not as well kept as the bavaria,but it is a newer boat and for the SAME money.
I am wondering if you bought the Lagoon and if you have any comments-advise for me I very mush appreciate if you could drop me a line.
Thanks
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Old 04-02-2011, 02:46   #4
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I had a 99 model 34 and a 2005 model 38 Bavaria

I would love to have my 99 back great boat that I felt a lot safer in

Can't comment on the models you talk of

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