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Old 01-05-2014, 13:25   #121
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By their very nature, people that live outside conventional society whether it be in Alaska or on a boat are usually loners, they aren't the type to facebook and join into Church socials etc.
I suspect many live they way they do in order to escape things like that.
+1 Exactly.

For some the though of owning a condo or house in a gated community with restrictive covenants is a little slice of hell. Been there done that, never want to do that again.

Same goes to joining a church, yacht club, etc.etc. All are for the common good yet leave the uncommon folks scratching their head. The world is not one size fits all. Nor should it be.

I would like to see all people are treated fairly, not just to a narrow definition of common good. Rather then getting rid of the boat bums, find a place they can exist. Taking a boat away from someone, just makes them homeless and creates more of a problem. I actually like what the folks in Utah are doing for the homeless. That is solving a rather difficult issue to the betterment of all.

Sorry, I've no desire to live a common life in a beige world. Not that there is any problem with that. It just aint me.
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Now I had chickens at one time too and a pair of roosters. They were raised from chicks and were rather well behaved. I use to pick of one of the roosters and pet it. Very tame. Maybe I should get some chickens and carry them on the boat. A rooster sure would be popular in the anchorages
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A rooster sure would be popular in the anchorages
It has been known for people to get tired of listening to slapping halyards out in an anchorage and to make a trip to the boat and secure it for the lazy a-holes. I can just see it one day, a rooster hanging from the halyard.
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It has been known for people to get tired of listening to slapping halyards out in an anchorage and to make a trip to the boat and secure it for the lazy a-holes. I can just see it one day, a rooster hanging from the halyard.
Well that goose, er, chicken idea is cooked...
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Until you reach the point where you can liberate yourself from your own self-righteous rule sets, at least you can treat it as ignorance and not disrespect if people break them.


Now I'm just a self described cruising Bozo...but Weavis...help us understand what in the world you are talking about?
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You leap from me saying that it's difficult to saying that I would not consider the common good and you suggest that I say I'm a non-conformist. I personally am frequently voicing my opinion; actively expressing my views to authorities and I vote.

I would still stand by my claim that liveaboards are independent and difficult to organize. This is an observation that does not reject your honorable plea.
Sorry, I meant "you" in the reference to liveaboards in general, not you as an individual.

The underlying point still stands. If individualism trumps the ability to work together, you will have individuals who cause problems and liveaboards will stand little chance against an organized group.

I, myself, don't hesitate to deviate from a "normal" lifestyle but I accept the disadvantages when I do and as much as reasonable I try to present a positive image to the outside world. As a result, I've never experienced any of the unwantedness or dislike the original poster suggests.
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I've no desire to live a common life in a beige world. Not that there is any problem with that. It just aint me.
Wifey B: Our world is lots of things but definitely not beige....

And that is the one caution to not assume that other world that other people live in is the same as it was for you. And for those of us living in what you've referred to as the beige world, we shouldn't assume things in your world are as we would imagine them.

People can live very different lives in seemingly the same world or circumstances.

Our lives are far from conventional. My hubby's world was quite the conventional businessman, but that was before me.

From Monday to today we've covered 330 nm., all areas completely new to us. We've thrown a cookout to thank some wonderful people for what they did for us. We've learned about the Makah Indian history and culture, seen some of their crafts, enjoyed their company. We've encountered swells far different than anything we've seen on the east coast. Seen beautiful waters, beautiful forests. All sorts of creatures. Met fishermen as they came in during the afternoon and grilled freshly caught fish. Gotten a glimpse into the Olympic National Forest planning time there next week. Talked to our friends back home. Enjoyed the company of those with us. Made love a lot. In very different ways we do appreciate the water and the beauty around it much as you do.

I know some here think of us as part of the evil group with the home on land and powerboat and all those horrible things, but the common tie is the water. And our lives are on it 2/3 of the time and right at it the rest.

And yes, we are aware of those less fortunate than us. Aware of all the problems and ills of the world. Not going into what we think of things here or what we do but we do consider ourselves socially responsible people who care deeply about others. Our passion is children and their conditions.

Just as those of you living full time on sailboats and cruising made changes to your lives, so did we. Different changes but there's a world we consider beige as well and don't want to live that life. Still we respect those who do and some are very happy that way.

I think everyone needs to find what works for them. If the way they're living isn't working, don't accept that, strive to change it. And at the same time we all need to respect that others choose to live differently. Our feeling is if it doesn't hurt us or others we don't care how anyone chooses to live.

It sounds to us like you have a very good life, Sailorchic. It works for you. You're happy. That's what matters. Could I be? If I was with my hubby I could be, but it wouldn't be my first choice. But I could certainly adapt to it easier than wearing business attire and sitting in an office all the time. Or living somewhere there was no water. Still, we have very close friends who will never get on a boat. But they're very happy people. Oh, and from what we know of you, their are aspects of our lives as much as we enjoy them, I feel certain you would not enjoy. Aspects of yours I wouldn't. Nothing wrong with either.

People tend to develop mental images of groups of other people and that's a prejudice my hubby and I try to avoid. Each person is different. And those type prejudices are the ones that end up being just as harmful as the illegal ones. If someone on land thinks all liveaboards are bad, then they're wrong. If a liveaboard thinks all those living in the houses by the water are bad, then they're also wrong. Working together all should be happy. Unfortunately, not as much working together as their should be.
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Now I'm just a self described cruising Bozo...but Weavis...help us understand what in the world you are talking about?
Kinda making the point that we see the world through out our particular vision and set of rules that we gathered from life experience and our parents.

Kinda making the point that when we see something, we only view it from the viewpoint that our set of circumstances dictate, and that we think OTHERS firstly know how we are viewing and secondly they are reacting directly against our internal viewpoint and breaking our internal rules.

For many the viewpoint is that liveaboards are dirty disgusting bottom feeders, and when a report is in the paper about removal of liveaboards, they cheer.

Sad to find out later that the reason for removal of a $500k yacht in immaculate order was because of a greasy illegal deal to turn a free area into a profit making area for two political scumbags.

I still maintain that the problem is not confined to the single area of bad neighbours. Its a mix of that along with overcrowding, fear, selfishness and just plain greed and profiteering.

Fixing the problem that will depend on whether or not we overcome our prejudices and set of internal rules for accepting each case on its own merits.

This thread confirms it. Most are saying, not all.."ITs the freeloaders!! but not you Miss X or you Captain Y....... your not like that!" But they still will receive the same result because of that faulty internal rule guided law.

Internal rules and prejudice........we all have them
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As much as we may not want to admit it, the truth about live aboards and how they are viewed boils down to this:

1. Does your boat look like a rotting piece of ****?

Oh stop it, with the "who are you to judge what **** looks like". You know what I'm talking about and if your boat looks like the Scooby Doo Ghost ship...well then you have brought the irre on yourself and the live aboard community, so stop the damn whinning and blaming it on conformity, society, or the evil 1%-ers already. Do a favor for all of us Live Aboards, and clean the **** off your decks, shave the 12-in long green carpet off your hull and take those 4 bags of trash and recyclable beer cans off the deck! I don't want to look at your 1/2 rotted away floating marine swap meet any more than the 2 milion dollar view homes looked out on the water at the both of us!

Look, I get it. I thrive and love living aboard on the cheap. I love talking about how we are living like millionares on $79/mo here in Morro Bay, Ca. I love living on below poverty line amounts of money, while enjoying life more than the average American making $120K/yr. But I also don't see anything wrong with keeping our boat looking respectable, which doesn't mean spending or having lots of money. It's just basic pride of ownership and courtsey to our neighbors. Of course I have 5 loads of laundry out hanging on my life lines right now as I'm typing this (what a sunny fabullous day here in Morro Bay) but I did do everyone a favor and left my tighty-whities down below along with my wife and daughters bras...

A great deal of the "Live Aboard" preception problem is brought on by Live Aboards themselves in not being considerate to their fellow man and neighbors. Then when called on it...they try and take the moral high ground of "I can live as I want in freedom dude", or the "how dare you judge me". Easy...you have rotting bags of trash on your deck...
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As much as we may not want to admit it, the truth about live aboards and how they are viewed comes down to a few simple fact.

1. Does your boat look like a rotting piece of ****?

Oh stop it, with the "who are you to judge what **** looks like". You know what I'm talking about and if your boat looks like the Scooby Doo Ghost ship...well then you have brought the irre on yourself that the live aboard community, so stop the damn whinning and blaming it on conformity, society, or the evil 1%-ers already. Do a favor for all of us Live Aboards, and clean the **** off your decks, shave the 12in long green carpet off your hull and take those 4 bags of trash and recyclable beer cans off the deck! I don't want to look at your 1/2 rotted away floating marine swap meet any more than the 2 milion dollar view homes looked out on the water at the both of us!

Look, I get it. I thrive and love living aboard on the cheap. I love talking about how we are living like millionares on $79/mo here in Morro Bay, Ca. I love living on below poverty line amounts of money, while enjoying life more than the average American making $120K/yr. But I also don't see anything wrong with keeping our boat looking respectable, which doesn't mean spending or having lots of money. It's just basic pride of ownership and courtsey to our neighbors. Of course I have 5 loads of laundry out hanging on my life lines right now as I'm typing this (what a sunny fabullous day here in Morro Bay) but I did do everyone a favor and left my tighty-whities down below along with my wife and daughters bras...

A great deal of the "Live Aboard" preception problem is brought on by Live Aboards themselves in not being considerate to their fellow man and neighbors. Then when called on it...they try and take the moral high ground of "I can live as I want in freedom dude", or the "how dare you judge me". Easy...you have rotting bags of trash on your deck...
Exactly!!!!

Now duck before they have a chance to climb over thier piles of deck garbage to claim thier indignation.
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As much as we may not want to admit it, the truth about live aboards and how they are viewed comes down to a few simple fact.

1. Does your boat look like a rotting piece of ****?

A great deal of the "Live Aboard" preception problem is brought on by Live Aboards themselves in not being considerate to their fellow man and neighbors. Then when called on it...they try and take the moral high ground of "I can live as I want in freedom dude", or the "how dare you judge me". Easy...you have rotting bags of trash on your deck...
pretty easy concept isn't it

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Long time ago before I had made any money and didn't really have much of an idea what I was going to do with my life my Mother told ne something that stuck, you know one of those profound things

"soap is cheap"

What she was saying is it's OK to not have money or be what most consider poor, but to use it as an excuse for looking like a rag bag or being dirty, was wrong, anyone can afford to be clean, it doesn't take money to be clean.
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What is Utah doing with homeless?
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I don't want to look at your 1/2 rotted away floating marine swap meet any more than the 2 milion dollar view homes looked out on the water at the both of us!
Whilst EVERYONE is in agreement with the sentiments expressed about bad neighbours and personal responsibilities, Are you saying then that THIS is the reason for the liveaboards problems?

According to your note above, it seems that your well maintained and responsible vessel is STILL not welcome.
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Without reading all the posts I'm lovin' it and will read it all later.
I've lived in a motorhome for the past 12 years ... three of which were on the street in San Diego. Yes, I had a good job, I just choose to ... best three years of my life. I has solar and was completely self contained ... but just like boats hanging on the hook people turned up their noses at me. "you're living for free" ... well, no I'm not. You ever fill a 300 gallon tank of gas? Let's not forget when a vehicle moves it creeks and shifts. There's always something to fix. It's NOT free living by a long way. Oh, $1200 for tires. ... How do you get rid of the motorhomes on the street? Simple post a sign that says "no parking recreation vehicle 10pm-6am"
I look forward to getting my boat in the water this fall where I can enjoy all the landlubbers not liking me.
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