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Old 14-07-2015, 12:52   #676
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Re: Are Liveaboards Unwanted? Disliked? All over Everywhere?

Ok ..Stop here and all is forgiven..We are all wrong and right at the same time ..What about liveaboards is there to dislike? keep it up and we all get to be unwanted...
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The unusual, the individual, the independent, the unknown; all disliked, envied and feared the world over. We must conform and obey. Choose from an ever changing subset of approved behaviours and opinions, and call it freedom.

Moreton Bay is where I cut my nautical teeth, but I suspect it has changed much for the worse since I last saw it. My intended boat is shrinking to fit means rather than desires, but this has benefits. Shallow draft via compact hull and bilge keels opens a lot of gunkholes for exploration, junk rig frees me of much expense and headache, at the price of a little speed and pointing ability.

The madding crowd and the totalitarians will eventually ban us all from living anywhere outside the herd enclaves, but I intend to cause them considerable inconvenience even finding me, let alone coming alongside for plundering purposes; which is what it all amounts to.
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Old 14-07-2015, 13:59   #678
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Well said! This matches our experience too. I don't know what color your feathers are but I'd be happy to share an anchorage with you some time.


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Old 14-07-2015, 14:23   #679
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The unusual, the individual, the independent, the unknown; all disliked, envied and feared the world over. We must conform and obey. Choose from an ever changing subset of approved behaviours and opinions, and call it freedom...
... a War On Individuality could be next.
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... a War On Individuality could be next.
and it would be brought to you by the same folks who actually believe there is a War on Xmas!!!

Don't know whether this or this or this is more appropriate.

And, of course, this
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Re: Are Liveaboards Unwanted? Disliked? All over Everywhere?

I'll risk repeating myself and taking the very big step back to the question expressed in the thread title.

The answer to the question is definitely no! We left a marina a couple months ago that has close to a dozen live aboard boats. We have been welcomed when we return to this marina since our first stay here in 1981 and our daughter is living here on her boat now. We know the people who are our friends that live in neighborhood homes on shore. There is no conflict.

Over the 43 years that we have been living aboard sailboats we have never been subjected to any behavior that made us feel "unwanted or disliked". Our only exposure to these negative thoughts have been in proposed legislation and stories we've read online.
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Cheap shot made in poor taste. What do you expect to gain by it? Is it so important to make a cutting remark that you use another's illness as an opportunity? Where have Ann and Jim commented on their health issues in this thread? I'm embarrased for having had to reply to your comment.
Perhaps we can get back on to the original subject rather than drifting off topic.

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Re: Are Liveaboards Unwanted? Disliked? All over Everywhere?

It seems to me that something very different has happened in this thread. It is beginning to look as if some of the posters are beginning a "shunning."

The one who is being shunned has posted on his post #627, from about a week ago, "A double whammy recent medical diagnosis most likely means I'll never sail again, but that won't change the fact I'm a cruiser for as long as I have left to live... And I'll continue living aboard for as long as I'm physically able.

Like Cassandra, from mythology, I have viewpoints that are often doomed to be ignored. We have someone here, Wrong, of whom I do not like the way he expresses himself: he seems not so much wrong, but egregiously rude. Just my opinion, though. And opinions are only ideas.

We also see that he has written something which, if true, is just about the worst news a person can get.

And then, we see the shunning. Weavis, only, responded to the health issue, and the situation was such there, that if weavis offer was sincerely meant, I still don't see how wrong could have accepted the offer, as it was at the end of a strongly worded rebuttal of himself.

So I guess the question at this time in this thread is whether we have the heart to accept back into our midst, the Wrong one, he whom we may perceive as too rude to tolerate, and offer him some kindness, for his problems come to us all in the fullness of time.

He is/has been a cruiser. Do we "owe" him the same kindness we'd extend to a sick kitty or dog? I think so.

Here's why: I believe the most important thing we can do in our lives is to behave with active compassion.. YMMV

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Florida has a lot of laws limiting boaters to anchor in one place for 24 to 48 hours in a 30 day period, .............
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Let's go back to the first sentence of the first post. I don't think this is true! Certainly they are not Florida State laws, but maybe a few city ordinances in a few locations. I personally don't know of these places. Maybe Vero Beach or some places in Miami? I'm not sure. I anchor in Ft. Lauderdale and Miami for numerous consecutive days with no authority approaching or questioning me.

I'd like to hear about these places and the "lot of laws limiting boaters".
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Thanks, Ann, well said. Wrong, sorry to hear about your issues, hope things get better.

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It seems to me that something very different has happened in this thread. It is beginning to look as if some of the posters are beginning a "shunning."

The one who is being shunned has posted on his post #627, from about a week ago, "A double whammy recent medical diagnosis most likely means I'll never sail again, but that won't change the fact I'm a cruiser for as long as I have left to live... And I'll continue living aboard for as long as I'm physically able.

Like Cassandra, from mythology, I have viewpoints that are often doomed to be ignored. We have someone here, Wrong, of whom I do not like the way he expresses himself: he seems not so much wrong, but egregiously rude. Just my opinion, though. And opinions are only ideas.

We also see that he has written something which, if true, is just about the worst news a person can get.

And then, we see the shunning. Weavis, only, responded to the health issue, and the situation was such there, that if weavis offer was sincerely meant, I still don't see how wrong could have accepted the offer, as it was at the end of a strongly worded rebuttal of himself.

So I guess the question at this time in this thread is whether we have the heart to accept back into our midst, the Wrong one, he whom we may perceive as too rude to tolerate, and offer him some kindness, for his problems come to us all in the fullness of time.

He is/has been a cruiser. Do we "owe" him the same kindness we'd extend to a sick kitty or dog? I think so.

Here's why: I believe the most important thing we can do in our lives is to behave with active compassion.. YMMV

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Here's why: I believe the most important thing we can do in our lives is to behave with active compassion.. ..................
Thankyou Ann. You're a teacher and a leader and an angel for many.
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Let's go back to the first sentence of the first post. I don't think this is true! Certainly they are not Florida State laws, but maybe a few city ordinances in a few locations. I personally don't know of these places. Maybe Vero Beach or some places in Miami? I'm not sure. I anchor in Ft. Lauderdale and Miami for numerous consecutive days with no authority approaching or questioning me.

I'd like to hear about these places and the "lot of laws limiting boaters".
I think that for most places liveaboards are welcome in marina's. Though some marina's don't allow liveaboards. Myself, I've never had a problem and am always welcomed at any marina I stay at.

Of course I spend a fair bit of time in the delta on the hook in the summer too. Very lovely, if you like nature. Here there are some long term anchor outs, but I don't see it being a big problem as none are facing homes or towns. Plus there are no major concentrations of folks living at anchor in the delta. Sausolito has its anchor out issues as do some parts of florida. But those are more the exception then the rule.
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It seems to me that something very different has happened in this thread. It is beginning to look as if some of the posters are beginning a "shunning."

The one who is being shunned has posted on his post #627, from about a week ago, "A double whammy recent medical diagnosis most likely means I'll never sail again, but that won't change the fact I'm a cruiser for as long as I have left to live... And I'll continue living aboard for as long as I'm physically able.

Like Cassandra, from mythology, I have viewpoints that are often doomed to be ignored. We have someone here, Wrong, of whom I do not like the way he expresses himself: he seems not so much wrong, but egregiously rude. Just my opinion, though. And opinions are only ideas.

We also see that he has written something which, if true, is just about the worst news a person can get.

And then, we see the shunning. Weavis, only, responded to the health issue, and the situation was such there, that if weavis offer was sincerely meant, I still don't see how wrong could have accepted the offer, as it was at the end of a strongly worded rebuttal of himself.

So I guess the question at this time in this thread is whether we have the heart to accept back into our midst, the Wrong one, he whom we may perceive as too rude to tolerate, and offer him some kindness, for his problems come to us all in the fullness of time.

He is/has been a cruiser. Do we "owe" him the same kindness we'd extend to a sick kitty or dog? I think so.

Here's why: I believe the most important thing we can do in our lives is to behave with active compassion.. YMMV

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LOL Ann. Of course my offer was genuine. Yes it was tagged on the end of a forceful commentary. I treat or help a lot of people that I have no affinity with or liking of..... I dont like people suffering if it can be alleviated.

I dont know which is worse, a straight up and down disagreement or being likened to a sick kitty or dog............

We dont owe anyone ANYTHING. We as individuals offer from our hearts and compassion as we see fit. A lot of people do not and they dont feel the responsibility towards others, and as such, the world is what it is.

I dont like the attitude displayed by wrong. I told him. We disagreed. Thats fine. But if the man is needing some aid, most of us if we were in the area would extend a helping hand despite his antagonism, unless he ran us off. I can only offer advice in a specialist field or a second opinion or perhaps something else as I am not resident in the States any more. I dont know what he needs. No one does and I dont like to ask, I can only offer.

So, I wont treat him as anything else that the man he presents himself as. Invalidating other liveaboards and cruisers is not the way to go.

If wrong needs medical advice, PM me or PM a moderator of choice. We have a number of medics on the site. It will be in confidence and not contingent on being a good boy. It what we do for people despite our differences. No one will ever know.

C.F. is not to be taken seriously when it comes to opinions. We are all ARSES! Being sick is serious. That is beyond serious.

Im not being nice or benevolent. If I can offer some help or suggestions, I will do it because its a blow to have detrimental health news, and true to my new label of braggart, Im actually quite good at my job, if I say so myself.
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Ann, you are wise and kind....but we knew that.

I would never think to shun anyone and I have no right or standing to do so. And you are correct that empathy is certainly in order for anyone suffering a life threatening (or even lifestyle threatening) illness. Certainly when I shared my medical problems on this forum I was showered with so much kindness and understanding, and it touched me in a very special and personal way.

So, to "Wrong" I say, with all the sincerity possible, that I hope your medical condition improves and that you are able to fully enjoy the lifestyle you have chosen.

I expect that except for those few who meet their demise while manning the tiller we will all at some point be faced with the transition back to shore. We have planned for that and fully expect it, but plan to savor every moment of whatever time we have aboard before that day comes. Wrong, you are very blessed to have experienced the cruising life (to have been a CRUISER) for so many years, and I hope you have many more, even if it is just swinging peacefully on your hook.
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LOL Ann. Of course my offer was genuine. Yes it was tagged on the end of a forceful commentary. I treat or help a lot of people that I have no affinity with or liking of..... I dont like people suffering if it can be alleviated.

I dont know which is worse, a straight up and down disagreement or being likened to a sick kitty or dog............

We dont owe anyone ANYTHING. We as individuals offer from our hearts and compassion as we see fit. A lot of people do not and they dont feel the responsibility towards others, and as such, the world is what it is.

I dont like the attitude displayed by wrong. I told him. We disagreed. Thats fine. But if the man is needing some aid, most of us if we were in the area would extend a helping hand despite his antagonism, unless he ran us off. I can only offer advice in a specialist field or a second opinion or perhaps something else as I am not resident in the States any more. I dont know what he needs. No one does and I dont like to ask, I can only offer.

So, I wont treat him as anything else that the man he presents himself as. Invalidating other liveaboards and cruisers is not the way to go.

If wrong needs medical advice, PM me or PM a moderator of choice. We have a number of medics on the site. It will be in confidence and not contingent on being a good boy. It what we do for people despite our differences. No one will ever know.

C.F. is not to be taken seriously when it comes to opinions. We are all ARSES! Being sick is serious. That is beyond serious.

Im not being nice or benevolent. If I can offer some help or suggestions, I will do it because its a blow to have detrimental health news, and true to my new label of braggart, Im actually quite good at my job, if I say so myself.
Weavis,

I didn't really think your offer was insincere. i apologize if what I wrote offended you. I should have written a paragraph about how difficult it sometimes is to know if a poster is being truthful in a post. Any of us can write just about anything, and there's the rub.

I have no way of evaluating a poster's posts for truth, unless links to data are posted. And I have no way of really evaluating someone's mental state, either. ....And you're right, "sick kitty or dog" was over dramatic. I apologize, to you and to the OP, as it may have offended. It was exaggeration to make a point.

The main reason I stayed out of this thread for so long was because I found the acrimony toxic.

I estimate my intervention to have been a failure. Oh, well, not the first time, eh?

And, back to liveaboards. Some people admire them. Some, appreciate their usefulness (as theft preventers, and people who look after others' boats as well as their own). Some people think we're "getting away with something", and are envious. All sorts in the world.

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