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Old 01-09-2016, 12:28   #31
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Re: Any good 20 foot cruisers out there? For liveabord? With head!

a 20 footer is hard and I dont see the point.

Go for a 24++ Plenty out there, like a Bristol 24.
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Old 01-09-2016, 12:32   #32
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I second the Columbia 24 suggestion. They are sturdy little boats. I had a 24' Columbia Challenger which is the raised deck version of the 24.
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Re: Any good 20 foot cruisers out there? For liveabord? With head!

I have a 1976 Catalina 27 that I've been working on for the last year. I just need to finish cleaning the cushions and I plan to put it up for sale. Would take anything over $800. $500 for the 5HP motor which pushes it along at 5+ knots. Plan to list on eBay.

Cat 27 has standing room and although the toilet was removed on this boat, you can put just about anything in its place. I have a brand new porta-potty (not included), but have never used it. The boat is in a slip in Pasadena MD and the bathrooms are pretty close. Going out, I bring one of those buckets. I really hate dealing with porta-potties.
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I have a 1976 Catalina 27 that I've been working on for the last year. I just need to finish cleaning the cushions and I plan to put it up for sale. Would take anything over $800. $500 for the 5HP motor which pushes it along at 5+ knots.

Cat 27 has standing room and although the toilet was removed on this boat, you can put just about anything in its place. I have a brand new porta-potty, but have never used it. The boat is in a slip in Pasadena MD and the bathrooms are pretty close. Going out, I bring one of those buckets. I really hate dealing with porta-potties.
Eric, don't know where you are, but if you are close, there is your boat.
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None can compare to a Flicka.

Am I wrong or isn't a Flicka a $25k to $30k price tag?


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Hi Ericsstinnett, I have a self built flicka I built 22 years ago, and to me she is the best little ship on earth. She has plenty of room for I person, iv'e lived on board her for 9 months and she was comfortable, warm and safe. The upkeep on such a small boat is cheap, and although I haven't done any ocean sailing, iv'e sailed the south coast of England and across the channel to France several times. The flicka is slightly tender, but once she heels over slightly she is steady as a rock and will keep her course for a long time with no need to any attention to the helm. Iv'e done the trip from Aldernay to Torquay, a distance of just under 100 nautical miles in 17 hours, so the flick is no slouch. You get a flicka and I doubt if you will ever need or want a different boat. All the best to in your search.
100/17 = 5.882353
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Am I wrong or isn't a Flicka a $25k to $30k price tag?


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Ya, thats about right. They are sweet boats! But thats a lot of dough.
Especially for a first boat buyer with a budget of $1,000...
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Re: Any good 20 foot cruisers out there? For liveabord? With head!

25' seems to be the cutoff point for boats with a dedicated head area. There lots of them floating around for practically nothing to mid teen $ depending on condition, cache, and your specific location. I just missed buying a Tartan 27 on Boat Angel for less than $800 that had everything from new sails to a working head with holding tank. There are numerous under 30' boats for less than $6,000 in SoCal where I'm looking.

The problem is not finding a cheap boat to buy but the cost of keeping it. Oceanside Marina where I'll be forced to keep the boat wants close to $400 a month for 26', plus or minus 3', non live aboard slip. Live aboard has an additional surcharge. These marina rates seem to be pretty common throughout SoCal with some possibly cheaper rates in South San Diego Bay and the commercial harbor area in LA. SF Bay is less expensive but live aboard slips are unobtainable without a long wait. Your area may be different so hop on your bike and ride around to all the marina offices in your area. You can do it on the phone but find you will get much more helpful answers by going in person. Also talk with the local boat dealerships. By necessity, they keep a close eye on the local slip situations and will talk with you if they are not busy. May even have a back pocket listing they could turn you onto.

Currently have a '69 Pearson 35. It's an old CCA design with large cockpit and fairly small cabin that is about comparable to a more modern 30' boat. When I'm aboard full time, live in the main cabin which is a space about 10' long by 9' wide. The head/hanging locker area is another 4' or so but that is mainly used very infrequently for necessities. The rest of the boat is mainly storage for sails, bicycle, tools, and other things that collect when there is an empty space that begs to be filled. Amazing how much junk you can accumulate. When I emptied the boat to do an extensive refit, filled one bay of our garage with boat related stuff most of which I haven't missed now the boat is back in service. When prepping the boat for the sail to Hawaii, rented a small storage space within bicycling distance for the nice to have but not necessary stuff Am very comfortable living in that small cabin area by myself. Biggest issue with a boat under 25' is headroom. It's seldom a problem for me but, if you have a pituitary issue, may be a killer. I have, in my youth, lived in a 25' boat and a VW camper. Later my wife and I lived aboard and cruised in a Westsail 32 for 4 years and was very happy with that living situation. Now doing very well in the P35 when spending extended time aboard.
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Those Flicka things: being 400 units built, interesting they have become collectable already.

Here boats of this kind fetch from 2k, to maybe 8k (for a superbly maintained unit kept in a shed every winter).

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Re: Any good 20 foot cruisers out there? For liveabord? With head!

I would save up "some" more cash and go for an Albin Vega, you get a lot of boat for your money and it's an excellent starter boat.
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Pearson Triton based on budget. Most likely looking at 1960's and 1970's production cruisers lots out there for cheap but all will need work. You can get a Triton or older tartans etc in the fall here in NewEngland cheap because people don't want to pay winter storage. I just saw a partially restored Triton for $2,000 the other day in the water on a mooring with 4 year old sails.
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back to teh Good Ol Boat list I suppose *sigh

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Re: Any good 20 foot cruisers out there? For liveabord? With head!

Flicka's are extremely seaworthy, but slow and small.

You might be better of looking at something like an Albin Vega. Highly regarded, inexpensive and have traveled oceans... all of them. If you want to read how capable they are, here is a blog sailing around North and South America... non-stop.

http://www.solotheamericas.org/
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Your tough job is finding a $1000 boat that doesn't need $5000 worth of work.
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