A Open Heart Monologue On The Final Decision

[Lizzy Belle]

Originally Posted by stefano_ita

read, know of delaminated polyester hull, known of engine out of the engine bad...

Yes, plastic boats delaminate while you're sleeping, and you wake up swimming!



You may want to read up on that, if that's what you're afraid of.

Originally Posted by stefano_ita

What in case of a impact of something semi-submerged during a night navigation?

You go "boom", the boat suddenly stops, your face hits a hard surface and you curse a lot. At least, that's how I handled my last 'wtf'.

Originally Posted by stefano_ita

No steel, aluminium, it won't corrode my relationship

Actually ...

Originally Posted by stefano_ita

P.s. i'm lover of high latitude cruising, i even found some old icebreaking steel tug,

When the water stops being liquid, plastic (IMHO) stops being an option

[stefano_ita]

Lol,

I like your a kind of serious joking answer, however, yes i know delamination won't happen in a night but in years and years, and can be repared if only locally, ecc...

[Lizzy Belle]

In order for a boat to delaminate, you have to ignore some (easy to fix) problems for a long, long time.
Then ignore the not-so-easy problems that follow.
Then, wait a few more years

In other words, if you buy a good boat now, it won't delaminate on you

Plastic CAN get blisters.
Steel WILL rust.
Aluminium ... corrosion.

Boats are evil and plotting to kill us all



(On a more serious note: every hull material has it's pro's and cons. Pick which is best for you.)

[stefano_ita]

Originally Posted by Lizzy Belle

In order for a boat to delaminate, you have to ignore some (easy to fix) problems for a long, long time.
Then ignore the not-so-easy problems that follow.
Then, wait a few more years

In other words, if you buy a good boat now, it won't delaminate on you

Plastic CAN get blisters.
Steel WILL rust.
Aluminium ... corrosion.

Boats are evil and plotting to kill us all




(On a more serious note: every hull material has it's pro's and cons. Pick which is best for you.)

Yeah i know, with alluminium i must be very carefull, even for marina grounded boat, eccc...

But if i cover everything with epoxy to complitely isolate the hull from the water? Epoxy is the answer

For prop and prop shaft there are their own zinc.

[Lizzy Belle]

Originally Posted by stefano_ita

But if i cover everything with epoxy to complitely isolate the hull from the water?

Err ... *click*

[Blue Crab]

You are right, but too much sirvival mode is not much appreciated from the opposed sex


I suspect this was a Freudian slip, rather than a malaprop. It's a very common problem among couples. A romantic sailing vacation on someone else's boat does not translate to a fun life on the rolling sea for many/most. There's a lot better chance of keeping the Ms. happy with the Jeanneau than any boat under 30'. Rowing/motoring a dink in the wind, rain, cold, heat, etc. to drive to a job looking presentable is often a deal killer, regardless of ♂/♀.

Giving up on a bad plan for building is a plus but you caved too quickly on that to have been serious/realistic. 14 meter boats don't get built in 4 months. And to put money and time into an ugly poor performer? NIMBY.

[Lizzy Belle]

Originally Posted by Blue Crab

I suspect this was a Freudian slip, rather than a malaprop. // is often a deal killer, regardless of ♂/♀.

The OP is Italian, so it was a language barrier thingy

And a huge YES on the regardless of sex.
Being a single female liveaboard on a (small) boat, I have found it's just as hard to find a guy willing to move from land to boat (and if he does: keep him there. They usually run for the hills - almost literally, haha!).

But ... I seriously doubt a bigger / more luxurious boat is the answer. Usually, it's just "not getting the boat thing" -- sorry, English isn't my 1st language either and don't know how to say it better

Edit -- sorry, this is off-topic. I'll go to the quiet corner now.

[stefano_ita]

Originally Posted by Blue Crab

You are right, but too much sirvival mode is not much appreciated from the opposed sex


I suspect this was a Freudian slip, rather than a malaprop. It's a very common problem among couples. A romantic sailing vacation on someone else's boat does not translate to a fun life on the rolling sea for many/most. There's a lot better chance of keeping the Ms. happy with the Jeanneau than any boat under 30'. Rowing/motoring a dink in the wind, rain, cold, heat, etc. to drive to a job looking presentable is often a deal killer, regardless of ♂/♀.

Giving up on a bad plan for building is a plus but you caved too quickly on that to have been serious/realistic. 14 meter boats don't get built in 4 months. And to put money and time into an ugly poor performer? NIMBY.

Lol

I appreciated your post (thanks wikipedia for malaprop explanation)

Yes sure, for this my ideal boat would be a high end villa in a pseudo-sailboat

Well about giving up the self construction, i'm still not sure, i'm just exploring other option...The quite bad performance could not be a very bad cons with a huge pros of space and confort...But maybe it's just a lack of experience in boat life...

[stefano_ita]

Originally Posted by Lizzy Belle

The OP is Italian, so it was a language barrier thingy

And a huge YES on the regardless of sex.
Being a single female liveaboard on a (small) boat, I have found it's just as hard to find a guy willing to move from land to boat (and if he does: keep him there. They usually run for the hills - almost literally, haha!).

But ... I seriously doubt a bigger / more luxurious boat is the answer. Usually, it's just "not getting the boat thing" -- sorry, English isn't my 1st language either and don't know how to say it better

Edit -- sorry, this is off-topic. I'll go to the quiet corner now.

OP means?

[vjm]

Original poster= OP.

If you are in any way serious about this, you need to examine what kind of boat is popular in the charter market. Pretty sure no one is dying to charter a poor performing home build.

Why not get a job crewing with your girlfriend? You can take a look at the market, see if she really likes the life, and gain some knowledge about your options and the pros and cons to those options. All while getting paid.

[StuM]

OP = Original Poster - the person who started the thread.

[stefano_ita]

Thanks for OP explanation

Very very hard getting a job as crew in italy, and i think also in all the mediterrain..

[barnakiel]

I think I have seen a EUR 15k shell of an Alpa 12.70 somewhere in Italy.

Given some skill and accepting the financial loss, a boat like this can be rebuilt and used as an entry into the charter business. Then you can decide if this is what you like or just a passing fancy. When properly restored they fetch upwards of EUR 40k on the s/h market.

Buy, work two jobs, restore, charter, think, sell, or re-group, adjust and keep on rolling.

Life is much simpler than we tend to make it. It is also less pleasant than we agree to accept at a younger age.

b.

[stefano_ita]

Thanks,

in fact, i'm wanting to have a more pleasant life, right now, not when i will turn 75 and i go on retirement (maybe)

[mcneilms]

Stefano
I think this has already been said, at least partly.
Fly to the Caribbean or other touristy islands where you and your GF can get a work permit without much hassle. Your EU, so it might be easy for French or Dutch islands. Get jobs crewing on boats (deck hand, hostess) or even in an Italian restaurant. Whatever you can get. Hotels... the list is endless and some pay quite well. Work on your sailing skills while there. Lots of boats to crew and lots of boats to buy in the Caribbean. Ex-charter cat may fit you for the room you want and the lifestyle. Although they will still be expensive, from your point of view, the Caribbean is by far the cheapest place to buy a boat.
And another benefit of the tropical islands; even if you never buy a boat, you can at least live a relaxed life. Better to wake up to white sand and blue waters than trolleys, cars and bikes in a tiny flat in Europe.
Just my 2 cents.

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