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Old 21-12-2015, 19:51   #31
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Re: A Open Heart Monologue On The Final Decision

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Building boats is no easy task Especially without money to build with. It is not cheaper to build a boat than buy one. You might save 10% off the cost of a new boat. But it takes years to build if you can only work on the boat part time.

A small boat will give you joy. That's what you are wanting yes?
Well a shoe box with a bow and a V keel, all pratically square, nothing rounding...

I guess a 46 ft steel boat NEW maybe can be 300-400.000 thousand euro...

I think yes, small, easy and joyfull, but not too much to became unconfortable or worst unsafe in very bad weather conditions
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Well a shoe box with a bow and a V keel, all pratically square, nothing rounding...
How big is this coastal sailing shoebox you want to build for less then 80k in only a couple of weeks?
Your 80k is for *everything* including the sails, rigging, motor, interior - up to the plates and knifes?
And the yard to build her, getting her to the water etc.?
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How big is this coastal sailing shoebox you want to build for less then 80k in only a couple of weeks?
Your 80k is for *everything* including the sails, rigging, motor, interior - up to the plates and knifes?
And the yard to build her, getting her to the water etc.?
14 meters x 5 x 1,5 draft

Extreme heavy duty steel concet, from keel cooling, to no hole throught the hull, 12mm thick glass for windows, to 1.000liters per minute bilge pump ( yes 1 thousand liter a minute...a 2x 7 centimeters hole, in a 50 cm deep water will make flow 200 liters per minute...and it's a very small hole)...

5 watertigh compartments, 1 cm thick bottom steel sheet, beta 75 or 90 hp (depend if genset or not), integral tanks for water and diesel, ALL the steel covered with epoxy, also inside the bilge, everywhere, polyurethane foam, all around, interior al movable easy to fit and unfit okumè wood, some ikea shelves and furnitures,very well reinforced, all studied to pass throught the wateline, also interconnection between bilges, the boat can be completely watertight, i studied and read the book of Ernesto Tross, (look for white bear and grey bear) a 83 years old sailor who build more than 10 aluminium sailboat, and lived all his life on the boats he built...

I'm also in touch with some italian boat builder, exchanging ideas, eccccc

Lets say slow for sure but stronger and stiffer than any other boat around there...

Yes, everything included...We already have enought knife, plate, japanese plate, ikea plate, valleroy e boch 50 euro christmas plate, ecc...we just need to choose wich one LOL...so sad..
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Is it a self-killing advice due overthinking?
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14 meters x 5 x 1,5 draft

Yes, everything included...
If I were your girlfriend, I'd run for the hills.
But I'm me ... and I hope you're going to build your boat cos I really want to see what the end results will be
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If I were your girlfriend, I'd run for the hills.
But I'm me ... and I hope you're going to build your boat cos I really want to see what the end results will be

LOL in case i'd buy a used one, i will make a 10:1 wood model of it
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P.s.

I re-done all my calculation and its 125.000 euro for the homebuilt ultimate 46 ft strong as the rock bluwater cruiser...I did too much confusion :S

So...let's open a new (hope the last ) thread about buying an used monohull
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P.s.

I re-done all my calculation and its 125.000 euro for the homebuilt ultimate 46 ft strong as the rock bluwater cruiser...I did too much confusion :S

So...let's open a new (hope the last ) thread about buying an used monohull
As others have already said: save your $125 large boat dollars not trying to build it yourself, buy a production boat and keep your gf.

Building a 46 footer is serious business for anybody. Without proper plans it is not going to work.

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Old 22-12-2015, 02:02   #40
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Lol,

Thanks for the advice, especially the GF's about one
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So...let's open a new (hope the last ) thread about buying an used monohull
Pretty much any solidly build boat can do what you want

It's important you know exactly what you want (length, material, layout etc.), what your plans are and what exactly your budget is to buy, to upgrade and to maintain etc.

If you open a 2nd thread, make sure to list all those facts
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Re: A Open Heart Monologue On The Final Decision

For what you want to do with an 80K Euro budget, this looks like it could suit your requirements:

1986 Jeanneau Sun Kiss 45 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
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For what you want to do with an 80K Euro budget, this looks like it could suit your requirements:

1986 Jeanneau Sun Kiss 45 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com



Thanks for the advice

Also thanks Lizzy Belle

In case of used boat,not steel for sure, maybe aluminium but quite expensive...and for sure not a mass production ex charter boat

I'm going to open a new thread in the monohull category.

Even the idea of not build my dream boat pis me off, but i understand your well calibrated advice
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Steel in the med?
Still trying to get rid of your g/f, aren't you?

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Steel in the med?
Still trying to get rid of your g/f, aren't you?


Lol,

According to me fiberglass is good for bathtube(ready to be killed), i saw, read, know of delaminated polyester hull, known of engine out of the engine bad...

What in case of a impact of something semi-submerged during a night navigation?

No steel, aluminium, it won't corrode my relationship


P.s. i'm lover of high latitude cruising, i even found some old icebreaking steel tug, quite good fitted for 50.000 euro...20.000 of sails and refit and it's done but too beamy to be decently fast only with wind:'(
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