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Old 05-11-2010, 16:36   #1
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Second Hand or Used Flags / Charts

Hi Folks - I need to get some charts and flags for the Pacific and for the Caribbean.

Does anyone know where I can get cheap courtesy flags and used charts for Canada, Bermuda, Antigua, and Islands on the Eastern Caribbean side and the Pacific? Many thanks in advance!!

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You can make the flags.

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We made it a rule to go into each country without their courtesy flag flying and then to buy ti locally from the closest news agent, general store.

We never had a problem.

In the Caribbean the standard flag price for curtesy flags was US$10 to $20 so getting a $2 local one makes sense and puts money in locals pockets

In Turkey we happend on a place that sold them very cheaply and bought about 10 countires for US$3 each.

If cought without a flag on your first day by Customs etc try this: Yes! I want to fly your flag but its importnat for me to buy it from a local shop here so your people make the profit, not some big forign mob.
Thats gotta work
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There are books out there that describe how to make flags, the materials to use, and even give templates. For the cost of a few cheap flags, you can make a lot of your own. They won't last long, be a pretty, or look exactly like the country, but they can suffice.

As far as charts go, you can place ads in the cruising websites, check with cruising organizations (such as SSCA or CCA), post notices at the local yacht clubs, or buy photocopies. In many cases the prices charged for used charts are quite reasonable (depending on where the chart was produced) and can sometimes get them for free.
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how to make flags, the materials to use, and even give templates. .
First one to make is the French flag and use zippers between the colours. Better still velcro.
Then by careful zippering you can make a myriad of other flags: Dutch, Monaco, indonesia, Dominican rep, Denmark, Croatia, Costa Rica, Honduras, Luxembourg, Paraguay, Malta, panama, and Somalia.

Add green and you too can stay in Iran and half the rest of the world.
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I am not certain there is any obligation to have one. It is courtesy.

The 'Q' can be obligatory though. When Q is obligatory, the courtesy one can be hoisted after clearance.

In some areas there are local courtesy flags that can be used solely or below the country one, case specific.

S/h charts can be sought at congregations, often with much success - Las Palmas, Panama, Durban, etc.. Also, many shops in the West Indies have swap chart baskets. When no swap available you will have no problem asking around and making copies (if that's OK with your moral code and safe navigation practices).

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PS When you make your own (flags, not charts ;-)) look for the scraps basket in your canvas shop - odds and ends tend to cost between 3/4 to ZERO of the per meter fabric price.

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I am not certain there is any obligation to have one. It is courtesy.

The 'Q' can be obligatory though. When Q is obligatory, the courtesy one can be hoisted after clearance.

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G'Day Barny,

Not so, mate, at least in some countries. For instance, Indonesia not only insists that you fly a courtesy flag, but that it be bigger than your national ensign. Failure to comply brings down the wrath of Allah upon your head and your boat... not a good idea, that!

There are many other countries with similar if less Draconian rules.

ONe long term cruising couple we know made all their own flags. They bought a bunch of cheap white cloth and a big set of fabric paint markers. With a little artistic effort coupled with a high point to set the flags, they never had a problem.

We've made a lot of them, but some are pretty complicated and we too try to buy locally when available. Our best source of materials is the dumpster behind sail lofts (or better a request for scraps inside the loft). Spinnaker cloth comes in all the requisite colours and is easy to sew. The addition of the fabric markers helps with the details.

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We made it a rule to go into each country without their courtesy flag flying and then to buy ti locally from the closest news agent, general store.

We never had a problem.

In the Caribbean the standard flag price for curtesy flags was US$10 to $20 so getting a $2 local one makes sense and puts money in locals pockets

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If cought without a flag on your first day by Customs etc try this: Yes! I want to fly your flag but its importnat for me to buy it from a local shop here so your people make the profit, not some big forign mob.
Thats gotta work
Mark, sometimes you amaze me with your logic, I had to do this in the cook islands.
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They bought a bunch of cheap white cloth and a big set of fabric paint markers.
If one has a computer printer you could get some printable iron on transfers. Print the flag (off the internet) and iron it onto fabric.

Any Ink Jet printer will do them

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I was given a set of Caribbean flags in the Azores by a lovely Belgian couple who'd 'Done It' and were heading home after their 2yr adventure to 'knuckle back down...'
She'd hand sewn/embroidered each one as they'd travelled... a unique wonderful gift and useful memorabilia...
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There was one other trick I forgot to mention...

bar decorations!

Notice sometimes your favorite bar has international flags strung up? Get drunk and steal them! Then go cruising
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Since my sewing skills are dangerous, I found that a good staple gun could produce a reasonable copy of the courtesy flag, especially if your first spreader's nice and high. And the wind didn't blow too hard for too long.
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Talking very clever...:)

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First one to make is the French flag and use zippers between the colours. Better still velcro.
Then by careful zippering you can make a myriad of other flags: Dutch, Monaco, indonesia, Dominican rep, Denmark, Croatia, Costa Rica, Honduras, Luxembourg, Paraguay, Malta, panama, and Somalia.

Add green and you too can stay in Iran and half the rest of the world.
very clever....cracked me up!!!

There is a guy in the UK on ebay that charges $3-4 a piece for flags...not too bad...

zippers and velcro...... it could work! LOL!
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