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Old 24-02-2011, 15:48   #46
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Funny...we Kiwi's think that OZ is an unlikely place too..I think it was the esteemed mariner Capt Cook who said of it "an unfortunate place" (radically misquoted to suit my needs )

Shhh just don't let MarkJ hear us talking like this....I need his continuing recent and relevant advice
I note the NZ invation Post/Canterbery earthquake has started.

A most terrible disaster for NZ. Seen a couple interviews saying they were leaving for AUS to start again.
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I don't play hockey and the water's frozen. It's my only recreation next to devising new things to mix with Gosling's...and there's a limit to that. And the Gosling's.
Do you mean Canadian Geese goslings? We have a large population of them here whose homes are somewhat disturbed as of this week. Shall I tell them to head home?

Sadly I have large numbers of family members who have moved over to the dark side (become Ozzie residents) including my first grandchild due June. Does this mean I will have to temper my involvement in the recreation of neighbourly bashing do you think?
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Old 24-02-2011, 15:52   #48
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I note the NZ invation Post/Canterbery earthquake has started.

A most terrible disaster for NZ. Seen a couple interviews saying they were leaving for AUS to start again.

Yes we like to "use" as well as "abuse" our friends and neighbours
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Ok Boatman, lets give it a try. This is the first time it's been done on CF.
I put your route in. This is just a sample done in about 2 minutes.
When you arrive in St. Martin all hell breaks loose as you and Mark meet up. Then, you come and visit me. See you then.

You should be able to download the file and then run it. I went START button, RUN, then chose the file and it loaded. Let me know if it works.
Nice one Palarran... worked a treat.. I'll definitely give it a go...
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Thanks Mark, I needed a good laugh today.

RUM = YUM! Never leave the pier without it!

In AUS especially Queensland Bundaberg rum is our staple rum and generally drunk with coke.

Spent a couple of weeks around Cuba a while back and learnt a lot about rum. It can actually be taken without coke -very smooth. Reality is only way to drink Bundy was with coke. The Cuban rums were great and so were their ladies.

With the quality of the carrabean rums will MarkJ ever leave Gay.
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In AUS especially Queensland Bundaberg rum is our staple rum and generally drunk with coke.

Spent a couple of weeks around Cuba a while back and learnt a lot about rum. It can actually be taken without coke -very smooth. Reality is only way to drink Bundy was with coke. The Cuban rums were great and so were their ladies.

With the quality of the carrabean rums will MarkJ ever leave Gay.
St. Lucia has some pretty good rums, and Barcardi's 8 year rum is up there. Mount Gay rum is above average, but not the best I've had.

If the U.S. government pulls it's head out of it's er... behind, maybe I'll be able to do a new world cruising route with a rum flavor......

Just trying to keep the thread on track....

Last I heard about MarkJ, he had his hand under the bum of some lass in a dinghy, or was that his dinghy under a lass....
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St. Lucia has some pretty good rums, and Barcardi's 8 year rum is up there. Mount Gay rum is above average, but not the best I've had.

If the U.S. government pulls it's head out of it's er... behind, maybe I'll be able to do a new world cruising route with a rum flavor......

Just trying to keep the thread on track....

Last I heard about MarkJ, he had his hand under the bum of some lass in a dinghy, or was that his dinghy under a lass....
Yeah He has had some issues with dinghy drivers lately.

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Accepting that the Indian Ocean and approaches to the Suez have become an unacceptable cruising area for the foreseeable future (...)
The Indian Ocean is doing fine - one can sail from Oz to RSA and onwards.

Or not?

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If your only goal is to "Sail Around The World" who could argue with that. That isn't my goal. I'm more interested in visiting places that interest me, like Japan.

I agree totally…. The destinations are what are important to most

Cruising Japan is very do-able (have done it twice) and is especially friendly in the Southern areas during the cherry blossom season.

I think that is the whole point of now thinking alternative routes. Different areas open up and you can do mini circumnavigations of regions, without backtracking.

Perhaps using Google to show Routes to major points of interest then we can factor seasonal weather into a 3-4 year cruise so that we are at the best places at the best times.

Barnakiel I agree that is a good option from Oz, but I wonder how attractive that “adventure” route is to a family cruiser, who would rather make more frequent stops?

From Oz I would much rather start by heading up into Asia either via east coast PNG or via Indonesia.
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What are the new logical sailing routes to explore the Pacific (Including Asia) and the Atlantic (Including the Med) in safety and sailing comfort?

From your home port what would be your new world cruising itinerary giving seasonal weather dates and distances to major junction points?
Atlantic:

From the E part of the N Atlantic loop one can sail towards Brazil and then continue towards RSA on the S side of the High. Preferably, the S Atlantic part will be sailed in the summer. Then a return sail can be made via Helena towards the West Indies. And, for those from Europe - onwards to where one began.

Wondering why so few sail such a figure eight loop? I have not sailed the S side of the S Atlantic loop yet so my guess is that it is the part people fear. But it does not look like anything to fear in any sound and well sailing boat.

Indian:

From RSA a boat can continue towards Australia. There are amazing places to visit on the way and with some weather luck one can make it to Sydney in one season (from Atlantic, no problem from RSA if starting early enough). However, a lay up in Perth or thereabout and continuing next season sounds very, very tempting. From there a loop can be continued via the S Indian islands back to RSA or else one can continue towards the Pacific, preferably N of NZ.

Pacific:

From N NZ one can sail eastwards and either land in S America, continue round the cape, or else fork N and visit the Polynesia, visiting the Australs, Pitcairn, etc. on the way. From there the usual easy way leads back towards W in the trades.

One can continue round the cape towards the Atlanitic too, but I am not certain this is a job for any crew/boat. Probably not.

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Re: New World Cruising Routes

with the effective closure of the red sea route,and the problems with trans equitorial cruising.

chagos and diego garcia will become very important potential stop over points.

the safe season in n indian ocean,bay of bengal is december till march,

the safe season in the tropical s indian ocean is may till november

the best time to round the cape of good hope is dec-feb.

this leaves cruisers the dillema of where to spend the transition months.

chagos is the key,traditionally vessels would spend 3months there waiting for the safe season when transiting n-s or s-n.

this is no longer possible as stays are limited to one month.

as s/v bebe has suggested lobbying governments for eradication of piracy,i belive as a community or efforts would be far better served by lobbying to have the regulations relaxed in chagos and diego garcia so vessels can safely wait out the march-may period,rather than take our chances in the gulf of aden.
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the safe season in n indian ocean,bay of bengal is december till march,

the safe season in the tropical s indian ocean is may till november

the best time to round the cape of good hope is dec-feb.

this leaves cruisers the dillema of where to spend the transition months.
december - march - NORTH - may - november - SOUTH - december - RSA

What transition months? April?

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if leaving phuket in january,you really dont want to arrive in the cape till november,for a january departure to brazil.

that is about 5000 miles,about 50 days sailing for a slow boat.
where do you spend the other 300 odd days in a safe cyclone free zone,
unless you want to go round the cape in mid winter?

by transition i mean the period between n and s indian ocean cyclone seasons when you cross the equator.

correction on previous post cyclone season in tropical s indian is nov till april-may.

the point i am trying to make is assuming one left phuket in march,stopped one month in chagos then on to mauritius spent a month there,one would be heading for the cape mid-winter,not reccomended!!

traditionally yachts leave se asia in jan via sri lanka,maldives,chagos,then on to madagasgar in may then leave n mozabique channel in sept october
for richards bay/durban,and arrive in cape town aprox nov -dec, avoid in cyclones and the worst of the southern ocean weather.

hence the importance of chagos as a stop-over
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Sadly I have large numbers of family members who have moved over to the dark side (become Ozzie residents) including my first grandchild due June. Does this mean I will have to temper my involvement in the recreation of neighbourly bashing do you think?
Well, if a Canadian Gosling goes well with lime, bitters and nutmeg, sure.

As for the increasing blizzard of Oz in your future, just bring a shovel. They tend to exaggerate. Crikey.
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The Indian Ocean is doing fine - one can sail from Oz to RSA and onwards.

Or not?

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I'd prefer to do it downhill...the only question is would I like to have a thousand miles of storms on the starboard quarter just to see those crazy little French Sub-Antarctic islands (some belong to Aus. too, I think)?

They are in some ways more distant than South Georgia, because that's within striking distance of all that Antarctic Peninsula tourism and "bucket listing".
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