Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 19-02-2012, 06:17   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2012
Boat: 25' Cruisers Rogue 2570
Posts: 7
Buzzards Bay to Martha's Vineyard

Hello all, I'm new to this forum, and I truthfully don't know if this is a sailboat-only forum or not. I have a 1990 25' Cruisers Rogue 2570 power boat, and I'm looking to take it to Martha's Vineyard this summer.

I'd be cruising from Salem Harbor down to Provincetown, possibly for a night, and then through the canal and down through to the Vineyard.\

My question is, I've seen a lot on this forum about the dangers of Woods Hole to inexperienced captains. I also heard that Quick's Hole is the safer route. I'm unsure, though, whether these proposed dangers are felt mostly by wind powered vessels or they apply to power boats as well? I'm running a 7.4L Mercruiser 454 which has more than enough power to push me easily against any current that Woods would throw at me. Any information would be great.

I've only been through Woods Hole once, and my trip was unfortunately unsuccessful. I was aboard a 32' Pacemaker flybridge cruiser, all wood, beautiful boat. We hit rocks in what seemed to be the middle of the channel and put the starboard prop straight through the bottom of the hull. (To my knowledge, that boat is restored and back in the water these days.)

That said, I've never been to Martha's Vineyard. I've also never captained a boat to PTown or through the canal myself either. I expect to average around 35 knots or so. I assume I'd be in PTown Harbor within a few hours tops. Any advice on whether I should moor in the harbor for a night and roam the streets of PTown, or if I should just continue on down through the canal and ultimately to my destination at the Vineyard?

Is it worth it to continue from the Vineyard to Nantucket or not? I've never visited that island, either.

Any and all information and opinions would be much appreciated! Thanks, and I look forward to participating in a forum that I have enjoyed reading thus far!

-Dave
__________________

__________________
CruisersRogue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-02-2012, 06:45   #2
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,491
Re: Buzzards Bay to Martha's Vineyard

Your statement that you've "heard" about the dangers of Woods Hole along with your tale of running aground seems more than a bit incongruous.

The Woods Hole channel is clearly marked by buoys and would also be clear if you have a chart-plotter. You need to be wary of strong currents in both places that will cause you to deviate away from your heading. The currents are also very significant in Vineyard Sound.

Each harbor on the Vineyard has its own distinct "flavor", so you shouldn't think of MV as a single destination. Your post seems to give hints that you haven't done a lot of planning yet on your own for this trip. It would be a good idea for you to investigate the distances, times of tides/current for best transits, and stops that might be of interest to you and your crew.

Plymouth to P-town in a boat that cruises at 35 knots is not much of a trip at all, plus it's out of the way if the CC Canal is your next stop. If you don't plan to take in the scenes ashore there is no point in going, IMHO.
__________________

__________________
SailFastTri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-02-2012, 06:47   #3
Moderator
 
Cotemar's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Mystic, CT
Boat: FP Mahe 36 CATATUDE
Posts: 4,550
Re: Buzzards Bay to Martha's Vineyard

CruisersRogue,

Woods hole is not going to be any problem for you.
It is sail boats that have a problem, because the current is as fast as some smaller sailboats can go even with their 20 hp engines running.

It's a great area, enjoy it.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	woods hole.jpg
Views:	171
Size:	308.6 KB
ID:	37647  
__________________
Cotemar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-02-2012, 06:56   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,491
Re: Buzzards Bay to Martha's Vineyard

Check out this site for navigating Woods Hole BSC Cruising Guide Woods Hole Navigation
__________________
SailFastTri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-02-2012, 07:05   #5
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Woods Hole MA
Boat: Sabre 426
Posts: 22
Re: Buzzards Bay to Martha's Vineyard

[QUOTE=

I'd be cruising from Salem Harbor down to Provincetown, possibly for a night, and then through the canal and down through to the Vineyard.\

The primary reason why people get into trouble going through Woods Hole is because the Red and Green channel markers indicate the route to Boston rather than to Woods Hole and Vineyard Sound. As you enter the Hole from Buzzards Bay, the channel spits into two after you pass a fix Green marker but keep in mind, you must keep that green marker and other green markers on your starboard while Red must be kept to Port. People get into trouble - especially with an east-bound current - because after the split, they incorrectly keep the Red to their Starboard and Green to Port which in this case will bring you directly towards the rock ledge that separates the two channels. My laboratory windows overlook Woods Hole and every summer, we see people in both sail and power boats make this mistake. With an eastbound current, it is very difficult to avoid "crabbing" into the rocks once you get too far out of the channel.
__________________
SciSail
sogin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-02-2012, 07:27   #6
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Massachusetts
Boat: 40' Silverton Aftcabin with twin Crusaders
Posts: 1,444
Re: Buzzards Bay to Martha's Vineyard

I know those waters, our boat is docked in Fairhaven. The only comment I will make is to be watchful of the weather conditions. Buzzard's Bay can be nasty!!! I have a 40' power boat and there are times when I turn around and head back to the dock. Conditions change rapidly!
__________________
foggysail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-02-2012, 07:33   #7
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,949
Re: Buzzards Bay to Martha's Vineyard

That is a fun trip you have planned. As the others have said Woods Hole is easier for a powerboat than a sailboat, but still it takes some study beforehand to make sure you know what the markers are and where you will be turning, etc. Frankly, I think more powerboats get into trouble there than sailboats because they are blasting through at high speed, and they misread the markers in the middle of everything where The Straight meets Broadway, and instead of following one of the channels they cut across Red Ledge. I've seen a big power cruiser there completely out of the water he hit so hard and skidded right up onto the top of the ledge. So, take it slow enough to be able to be absolutely certain where you are going. Fog can make things exciting too as there is a lot of traffic. Monitor the VHF (channels 13 and 16) carefully when around there so you know what is going on with the commercial traffic, especially the ferries--they stop for nothing.

On the Vineyard itself I like to anchor in Lake Tashmoo and walk into Vineyard Haven. It's quiet in the lake and much more sheltered. Vineyard Haven and Edgartown both have pricey rental moorings nearish town, and they are both busy and fun in the summer. Oak Bluffs is very crowded and everyone rafts up, but you are right in the midst of another fun summer place. P-town is also fun, in a very colorful way. Well worth a night out if you like the sometimes-outrageous atmosphere.
__________________
Kettlewell Cruising
Kettlewell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-02-2012, 09:16   #8
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2012
Boat: 25' Cruisers Rogue 2570
Posts: 7
Re: Buzzards Bay to Martha's Vineyard

Thank you all very much for the information and comments! I knew this forum would prove useful. SailFastTri, you're correct in your assumption that I have not planned this trip out much. On the contrary; I came to this forum first for some information and advice about HOW to plan the trip. As of now, it's something that I am thinking about doing, and would like to do. We'll see how it goes. Also, I'm cruising from Salem, not Plymouth.

Does anyone have any opinions on whether I should continue on down to Nantucket from Martha's Vineyard?

Thanks again everyone!

-Dave
__________________
CruisersRogue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-02-2012, 09:25   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,949
Re: Buzzards Bay to Martha's Vineyard

Nantucket is well worth a visit--has a very different feel than Martha's Vineyard. Nantucket feels like you're way offshore out in the ocean--lot of rural roads outside of town, windswept beaches, and wide-open scenery. You can imagine the beginning of Moby Dick as you walk up the cobblestone main street in town. MV is busier, more towns, shops, restaurants, and things to do. It may be hard to believe, but Nantucket is even pricier than MV and the moorings are well out in the middle of the harbor where it can be pretty lumpy if it is blowing. Last I checked I think a mooring was $65 per night, but they may have gone up. Bring $$.
__________________
Kettlewell Cruising
Kettlewell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-02-2012, 10:16   #10
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2012
Boat: 25' Cruisers Rogue 2570
Posts: 7
Re: Buzzards Bay to Martha's Vineyard

Thanks Kettlewell! Wow, those moorings are expensive... but then again, what in the boating world isn't? ;-)

Are there launch services in either or both harbors? I don't have dinghy davits to haul a tender with me.

-Dave
__________________
CruisersRogue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-02-2012, 10:20   #11
Senior Cruiser
 
unbusted67's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Islesboro, ME
Boat: CAL 35 - "Callisto"
Posts: 1,938
Images: 24
Re: Buzzards Bay to Martha's Vineyard

Quote:
Originally Posted by CruisersRogue View Post
Thank you all very much for the information and comments! I knew this forum would prove useful. SailFastTri, you're correct in your assumption that I have not planned this trip out much. On the contrary; I came to this forum first for some information and advice about HOW to plan the trip. As of now, it's something that I am thinking about doing, and would like to do. We'll see how it goes. Also, I'm cruising from Salem, not Plymouth.

Does anyone have any opinions on whether I should continue on down to Nantucket from Martha's Vineyard?

Thanks again everyone!

-Dave
Either buy a few charts or download them for free from NOAA and study them before you go. There are notes on the charts about currents in Wood's and Quick's hole. You should be able to figure it out if you have a good look at it for a while. Just take it slow and have a plan. It is easy to not pay attention.
__________________
unbusted67 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-02-2012, 10:52   #12
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 3,949
Re: Buzzards Bay to Martha's Vineyard

There's launch service in Vineyard Haven, Edgartown, and Nantucket harbors, not sure about P-town or Oak Bluffs, but I bet there is. I always have a dinghy so it isn't something I think about. In Oak Bluffs you can almost walk ashore over all the boats. No launch in Lake Tashmoo, so skip that.
__________________
Kettlewell Cruising
Kettlewell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-02-2012, 11:02   #13
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,491
Re: Buzzards Bay to Martha's Vineyard

P-town does have two companies providing rental moorings that come with launch service. Go to ActiveCaptain.com to read about the facilities and the reviews.
__________________
SailFastTri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-02-2012, 12:29   #14
Moderator
 
Cotemar's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Mystic, CT
Boat: FP Mahe 36 CATATUDE
Posts: 4,550
Re: Buzzards Bay to Martha's Vineyard

CruisersRogue,

Yes, if you have the time you should go to Nantucket. Its just 25 miles from Edgertown MV. Make sure you stay in the channel and do not cut across the shoals or Shifting Shoals as the charts show. The charts will never be correct in the shifting shoal area.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Nantucket.jpg
Views:	126
Size:	360.8 KB
ID:	37661  
__________________
Cotemar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-02-2012, 13:08   #15
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Oriental, NC
Boat: Mainship Pilot 34
Posts: 1,429
Re: Buzzards Bay to Martha's Vineyard

If Buzzard's Bay is blowing 15-20, then Nantucket Sound will blow 20-25 with 4-6' seas. I wouldn't want to do the crossing from MV to Nantucket in a 25' power boat.

So watch the weather and be prepared to wait it out on both sides before crossing.

David
__________________

__________________
djmarchand is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
martha's vineyard

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Interfacing NMEA Data to Computer bobfnbw Marine Electronics 81 07-03-2012 08:46
Route File Transfer via SDcard to Garmin 441s four winds Navigation 11 25-02-2012 08:34
A True End to the Multi vs Mono Debate deckofficer Multihull Sailboats 106 23-02-2012 10:23
Caribbean to Canaries Ocean Babe Navigation 0 18-02-2012 18:30


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

RV & Travel Trailer Communities

Our RV & Travel Trailer sites encompasses virtually all types of Recreational Vehicles, from brand-specific to general RV communities.

» More about our RV Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002-2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 23:24.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Sailing News Delivered to your Email!

Stay up-to-date with the latest cruising news.

unsusbcribe at anytime with one click

Close [X]


ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.