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Old 23-12-2009, 07:37   #31
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We know those waters extremely well, having lived and boated that whole coast for many, many years. Most of the hints you have been given are good...but there can be trouble spots.

Most of the area you are traversing from Steinhatchee is what is known as the Appalachee Bay....it is, for the most part extremely shallow....so know your draft, and monitor the bottom diligently. You should not miss Cedar Key as suggested, but the entrance has always been quirky, especially for sailing vessels, plus being the winter season, there is not much open, or at least, didn't used to be...it is a fishing town... As mentioned, Tarpon is a great stop with several good yards if you have trouble. Lighthouse is our favorite. Allan, the mechanic, is the best on the east coast (if you have a deisel?).

Most of the area between Tarpon and St Pete is pretty shallow as well, in particular from Anclotte Key in the ICW if you have to do that. I would likely try to make Sarasota the next day, but if the winds are howling when you get to the mouth of Tampa Bay, you may want to slip into Johns Pass, or North Channel (although it can be shallow too) to avoid the swell, chop, and confused seastate we get there.... The next best stop, if you are making way, is Naples, and then the easy, but shallow trip across Florida Bay is usally pretty calm....taking you into Duck Key (our favorite in the keys.... for a much needed rest....). You will miss the soutehrn keys, but since you are not neecessarily on a cruise, that would be the fastest route. From there, throughout the east coast there are plenty of ways to get into the ICW (watch Sebastian Inlet - -one of the trickiest inlets on the east coast) to avoid weather, that you WILL likely have.

If you want to discuss further, I can make some time, as my business is pretty much over until after the New Year. Merry Christmas, and Safe Travels...

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We know those waters extremely well, having lived and boated that whole coast for many, many years. Most of the hints you have been given are good...but there can be trouble spots.

Most of the area you are traversing from Steinhatchee is what is known as the Appalachee Bay....it is, for the most part extremely shallow....so know your draft, and monitor the bottom diligently. You should not miss Cedar Key as suggested, but the entrance has always been quirky, especially for sailing vessels, plus being the winter season, there is not much open, or at least, didn't used to be...it is a fishing town... As mentioned, Tarpon is a great stop with several good yards if you have trouble. Lighthouse is our favorite. Allan, the mechanic, is the best on the east coast (if you have a deisel?).

Most of the area between Tarpon and St Pete is pretty shallow as well, in particular from Anclotte Key in the ICW if you have to do that. I would likely try to make Sarasota the next day, but if the winds are howling when you get to the mouth of Tampa Bay, you may want to slip into Johns Pass, or North Channel (although it can be shallow too) to avoid the swell, chop, and confused seastate we get there.... The next best stop, if you are making way, is Naples, and then the easy, but shallow trip across Florida Bay is usally pretty calm....taking you into Duck Key (our favorite in the keys.... for a much needed rest....). You will miss the soutehrn keys, but since you are not neecessarily on a cruise, that would be the fastest route. From there, throughout the east coast there are plenty of ways to get into the ICW (watch Sebastian Inlet - -one of the trickiest inlets on the east coast) to avoid weather, that you WILL likely have.

If you want to discuss further, I can make some time, as my business is pretty much over until after the New Year. Merry Christmas, and Safe Travels...

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Yes... been looking at the chart for Cedar Key. Looks the devil to get into. When I'm single handing, I'll daytrip wherever possible, but I should have crew for most of the trip, which is when I'll try to make tracks. Definitely going to have crew for the Keys-Stuart leg.

Thanks for the advice!

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Old 23-12-2009, 14:13   #33
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It seems you are asking for advice on doing a 'delivery trip', across the Gulf and up the E Coast to LI, either short-handed or single-handed and on a small boat. If that's accurate, then here's what I'd be thinking about:
-- lots of layers; you are going to find the weather very challenging at times (right now it's 37 F here in Jax, FL)
-- self-steering; you'll want - for numerous reasons - the boat to self-steer reliably for large chunks of the trip (Gulf crossing, bays & sounds crossings along the ICW, Chesapeake Bay, Delaware Sound, along the NJ coast)
-- weather: the more you can stay in protected water, the less you'll be held up by frontal passages (which are the dominant wx feature this time of year...so: check on the Okeechobee Waterway by calling the Corps of Engineers; it makes no sense to sail S to & across Florida Bay and then work your way back N when you can cross FL in protected waters and save lots of time; however, be sure to check the locks are all working, not just confirm the water depth on the cross-lake route
-- weather: conversely, I'd plan as direct a run as possible from the Panhandle (departing from perhaps Apalachicola) to the ICW (from Tarpon south) after insuring I was able to make the run inbetween frontal passages (which will be very rough and cold this time of year in the Gulf); the coast inbetween (Cedar Key being an exception) is shallow & featureless and I wouldn't want to be closing it, fingers crossed to find shelter, as the frontal winds begin to clock - and doubly so at night
-- weather: just as others have pointed out, from FL's W coast up to Beaufort, NC, you have the option of watching weather and jumping outside to make good miles -or- staying inside and still progressing in less desirable weather.

I made most of this run in a strong 20' sloop some years ago and the overarching memory of the experience is that it took a l-o-n-g time. Don't underestimate the consequences of having such short daylight periods this time of year, the inefficiencies forced on you by the weather, the slow speed of your boat, and the likely physical discomfort you'll often feel. I also remember bringing a small boat up the Chesapeake Bay in February, non-stop from Norfolk to Annapolis, and it reminded me of winter duck hunting where one sits for hours in a blind while noticing as each piece of one's body begins to go dead in the numbing cold.

Good luck to you. In your shoes, I'd consider a trailer or Spring...but at least you'll have stories to share and some unique memories.

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I've been thinking about the Okeechobee route today... It's a heck of a long way to motor, though. I'm going to keep it in my back pocket as a definite maybe, if the going is just too rough.

I just want to get to Stuart on this leg. I'll do the leg to Pamlico Sound in the spring.

Good tip on the warm clothing, though... I was just in Steinhatchee last week and it did get a bit nippy one day, though nothing like what we've got here, right now :-(

Thanks for the advice and cautions.

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Old 23-12-2009, 16:02   #34
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Be careful of jupiter inlet. It can be very tricky. I too like the passage weather site.
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Old 24-12-2009, 07:16   #35
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Be careful of jupiter inlet. It can be very tricky. I too like the passage weather site.
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I agree... My brother is a dive instructor in Jupiter... he goes in and out of that inlet all the time. Nasty!
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Naples to Miami Route through Keys?

I need to sail my FP Athena from Naples over to Miami then over to the Bahamas. Can anyone recommend the best way to get through the Keys to the Atlantic?
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From Naples, we go across the straights and through Moser Channel to the south side of the Keys. We draw 6' and have never had a problem. It is well marked, just be sure you stay inside the markers. On the south side, you come out just west of Boot Key in Marathon which has a fantastic (266 boats) and cheap mooring field (Phone 305-289-8877), and just East of Bahai Honda State Park which is also a nice resting place. Probably best to use two anchors in Bhai Honda Key if the wind is north or NW.
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Thanks very much, this is very helpful. I will study the charts. Recently a person told me coming from Miami back to Fort Myers, there were so many crab pots in Florida Bay that he did not dare sail after dark.
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...there were so many crab pots in Florida Bay that he did not dare sail after dark.
I can verify that from firsthand experience. We transited Florida Bay from the Moser Channel, heading up to Bradenton in November, '08. We had to post a lookout on each side of the cockpit to warn the helmsman of crab pot floats. It's incredible! We came through under the Seven Mile Bridge about 7:30 am, and managed to get to deep water before sundown. I would never do that stretch in the dark.

I thought parts of the Chesapeake were thick with crab pots, but Florida Bay takes the cake!
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Crab pots

Yes, crab pots are a problem. We sail through them at night, and have never become entangled, but motoring is more difficult. We have, a couple of times, sent a float through our propeller. We suffered no harm, but the crabber lost his pot, and we are sorry for that. The only real way to avoid them is to sail in 50'-60' of water, but that is not possible as you get into Florida Bay. However, you probably will want to go through Moser Channel in daylight anyway, and you certainly do not want to enter Boot Key or Bahai Honda Key in the dark, so time youself for that. You can also stop at Little Snake River before crossing the Bay.
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Daedalusk and Hud are correct.

Spend the night at the Little Shark River (with lots of screens and bug repellant!) and leave for Moser Channel in the morning, leaving late enough so that the glare off the water from the early sun will not obscure the floats from the fish traps.

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This is all solid advice, especially sailing in daylight.
We had 3 crab traps dragging one morning after sailing all night from Tampa towards Naples.
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