Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 10-07-2019, 13:41   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4
Surveyor for New Boat Purchase

Should we use a surveyor or other expert help during the commissioning/sea trial phase of a new production boat purchase.
- my wife and I have recently ordered a new 41' production sailboat from France using the regional (midwest) US dealer for the builder
- tentative delivery date in US is Dec of 2019
- commissioning 1st Quarter 2020
- handover date projected as ~ May 2020
- initial sailing area will be Lake Michigan

My wife and I have never owned a boat before and neither of us grew up around boating. Our experience is in chartering boats of similar size and type in Lake Superior and BVI along with other areas in the US since 2010. We have each taken a series of ASA courses (her through ASA 103 and me through ASA 106) however neither of us feels qualified to sign off on the commissioning / rigging of a new boat.

Alternatives as we currently see them include:
1 Trust the dealer/commissioning team and do the best we can from checklists we find on-line and in books
2 Hire experts to help

What do you guys think?
__________________

Ddunmire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2019, 14:13   #2
Senior Cruiser
 
Vasco's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Toronto
Boat: CS36Merlin, "La Belle Aurore" Ben393 "Breathless"
Posts: 7,407
Re: Surveyor for New Boat Purchase

The boat will require a hundred and one things to be "fixed" on commissioning. Very few dealers on the Great Lakes have a good commissioning staff due to the seasonal nature of the work on the Lakes. Even dealers further south have problems retaining experienced staff. As you are new to the process I would definitely hire an experienced person to oversee the dealer's work. This would start with a thorough inspection of the boat as you will find defects and missing things. Some are small such as lack of doorstops and defects in the fiberglass work. The doorstops are an easy fix but the glass work requires an experienced person. Get a person who is familiar with the make of the boat. Do not rely on the dealer. They've already got your money and you won't be buying another boat from them in the near future. Having bought three new boats over the years I can assure you that if you rely solely on the dealer and your limited knowledge of boat building and boat systems you will regret not having an experienced person oversee the commissioning process.
__________________

__________________
Rick I
Toronto in summer, Bahamas in winter.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beneteau393/
Vasco is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2019, 21:15   #3
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 4
Re: Surveyor for New Boat Purchase

Thanks for the informed, thoughtful and helpful reply. Just the kind of support I was hoping for.
Ddunmire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2019, 21:23   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Chester, Md
Boat: Carolina Classic 32
Posts: 5
Re: Surveyor for New Boat Purchase

Yes, hire a surveyor and do not sign any final paperwork to accept the vessel until after it has been surveyed. This way you have leverage to force everything to be fixed before the sale is complete.

Imagine the boat has a defect when it was manufactured. You sign the papers and accept the vessel and then discover the defect. The builder attempts to repair the defect. You are stuck with the boat and must depend on the dealer/manufacturer to make the repairs correctly and in a timely manner. This is not a good position to be in. New boats can have many issues.
Digdug is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2019, 04:37   #5
Registered User
 
Fore and Aft's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Gympie
Boat: Volkscruiser
Posts: 731
Re: Surveyor for New Boat Purchase

I was in Fiji recently to survey a 6 year old French cat. The owner had it from new and had never had her surveyed by anyone competent. I pointed out a number of faults that should have been corrected before hand over and the owner could not believe he had been so gullible in buying her in the first place. The worst was the bare plywood bulkheads. The yard had only put resin on the bits you could see while standing on the cabin sole. So when I climbed into the bilge there was raw plywood everywhere.
Cheers
Fore and Aft is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2019, 11:21   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Langley, WA
Boat: Nordic 44
Posts: 786
Re: Surveyor for New Boat Purchase

What boatyard are you using? The best one in Chicago, and probably the most expensive is Crowley's Yacht Yard. They have very skilled people to deal with any issues that may come up.

Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Crowley's other that of a past customer.
stormalong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2019, 12:08   #7
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 927
Re: Surveyor for New Boat Purchase

Unfortunately you may need a proper survey for insurance no matter how many experts you hire to advise you on commissioning.
__________________

jmschmidt is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
boat, purchase, survey, surveyor

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
surveyor for a production cat purchase Airlie beach Australia Moonos Dollars & Cents 1 17-08-2014 02:51
St. pete surveyor needed for a pre-purchase... B.S.Geiger General Sailing Forum 0 30-07-2014 07:05
How Good Did You Discover Your Surveyor Had Been? (After Boat Purchase) David_Old_Jersey Dollars & Cents 30 13-05-2012 02:51
Sailboat Purchase Surveyor in Ft. Lauderdale, FL ? mgirvin Boat Ownership & Making a Living 5 03-03-2012 17:13
Seeking Surveyor for a sailboat purchase BasketCase Dollars & Cents 2 26-07-2008 12:18



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:53.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.