Is this Beneteau Oceanis 411 worth it?

[BWB75]

Originally Posted by jolly jack tar

I have found a nearby 2003 Oceanis which sounds perfect but the price seems very high at just shy of Euro 130K or $165K.

Thanks for starting this discussion! Did you decide on an offer? Any news?

[donradcliffe]

Originally Posted by jolly jack tar

Hi folks,
I have been searching for a while now for a suitable cruising boat for short/singe handed sailing in SE Asia. I have not owned a Yacht before and have not sailed for a cpl of decades having sailed on lazers, wayfarers and a moody 33 in my teens and early 20's.

Ideally, I would like to get a 2006 or later Oceanis or a Sun Odyssey. I would prefer a boat that's had a single owner from new. I know there is a huge difference between these boats and a 1979 moody however, I intend to go on a few 2/3 week live-aboard courses on one or both of these models in the next 6 months.

I have found a nearby 2003 Oceanis which sounds perfect but the price seems very high at just shy of Euro 130K or $165K.
Its a single owner boat and is fully loaded with top quality equipment, its clean as a whistle and has just been anti-fouled last month, here is a cut n paste of the inventory:

Power:
Volvo D2-55 with twin 12V 60A alternators.Avoid Volvos-minus $5k
Electric oil change pump.good-plus 0.5k
8 HP Tohatsu outboard (2006) for the tendergood
Triple solar panels, charge controller and 12V batterieshow old?plus 1.5k
Wind Generator.brand??--plus 1-2K

Construction:
Hull: grey epoxy primer and black antifouling, March 2014.
Deck stepped mast with rollerbearing cars
Boom with rod kicker.
The emerged zone has a blue Gelcoat was spray painted with 2 component AWL GRIP laquer in Corinthian Blue, two golden stripes & White waterpass, march 2014.Awlgripped boats are more costly to maintain--minus 3k
Pre-balanced rudder.The upper rudder bearing is above the waterline. No maintenance neccessary, always a dry bilge.Marketing BS
Three blade volvo folding propeller on shaft.See above comments on Volvo
Roomy cockpit with folding tables on middle console.
Lewmar leather covered steering wheel with adapter for the Wind vane auto steering
Steering: chain and cables, no play.
Cockpit: Teak on floor, seats and big swimming platform.
Windsteering on plattform installed.
HF Antenna on isolated backstay.good
The dinghy can be carried upside with outbord engine or upside down without the engine on the foredeck. Storm approved.marketing BS
6 big cleats how big?
9 sets of mooring lines. 6 with shock absorbers

Accom:
One forward and two aft cabins.
Two heads with hot and cold shower.
Reading lights on every bunk. you want all LED
Hella fans and 12/220V outlets in every cabin.Hella fans are crap--minus 0.5k
Extra reading lights in saloon.you want all LED
Red reading light on nav station for better night vision.
Warm white LED.
Extra fan on nav station

Equipment:
500 liter water in 2 tanks.
120 liter diesel in main tank.too small--minus 1k
180 liter diesel in jerry cans.because the main tank is too small
20 liter petrol for 8 HP Tohatsu outboard engine.
40 liter holding tank for toilets.too small--minus 1k
Watermaker: Echotec 30 ltr/h on 12 V. Runs on solar/windgenerator/engine
Fridge big: Isotherme SP TP 39051 watercooled ( no Pump neccessary .)normal equipment
Freezer small: Isotherme also watercooled.spillover or separate?
Stove: ENO 2 LPG burner with oven.normal equipment
Grill: 1 MAGMA gas grill
Gas detector with alarm BEP Marine.
2 Gas bottles with regulator.
Sink: Double, stainless steel with covers.normal equipment
Tap:Pressurized hot and cold water. normal equipment
20 liter hot water boiler 220V or engine heat.normal
Foot pump for fresh or saltwater in galley.how can it be for both?
Heater: Eberspaecher diesel hot air with thermostat and cabin outlets.good--+3k
stern davits for dinghy.+3k
Windlass: Eletric with remote control from cockpit.French??--if so minus 2k
Anchor chain wash pump with spiral cord and spray gun.
20 kg Buegel anchor undersized--minus 0.5kwith 60 meter 10 mm chain and 60 m line.need all chain--minus 1k
20 kg danforth with 30 m chain.no rode--minus 0.5k
Grapnel stainless steel folding anchor for dinghy.
Spare blocks, shackles, lines and halyard.

Sails & spars:
Mast: Z-Spar aluminium
Boom Z-Spar aluminium
Sails: Full battened main with roller bearing cars.plus 2k
Reefing from cockpit, no need to go to foredeck.
Furling Genoa with Sunbrella cpt.navi blue UV Cover. FACNOR Furling
Genacker 1.5 OZ
Red storm Jib
Dyneema halyardsplus 0.5k
Lazy bag Sunbrella, cpt. navi blue with zipper and lazy jacks.
Traveller on roller bearing cars, adjustable from cockpit.depends on brand--Harken preferred
Jib sheet leads adjustable from cockpit.roller bearing or circulating ball leads with 4:1 adjusters??
All sheets, halyards, reefing lines and preventer on 11 SPINLOCK XTS.
Lewmar winches: 2 selftailing 48
1 selftailing 40 on coachroof electricgood
1 selftailing 30 on coachroof
Dodger, bimini, side panels and stern shades all Sunbrella cpt. navi blue
AB Dinghy: aluminium floor, 3 chambers and Sunbrella cpt. navi blue covergood plus 2k

Nav:
Raymarine autopilot 6001+
Raymarine ST 1000+ tiller pilotgood to have a spare, but you have wheel steering
Raymarine wireless smart autopilot controller
Raymarine chart plotter RC 530+
Raymarine wind display ST 60+,speed, depth, log, water temperature.
Raymarine tridata system indicator in forward cabin.
Raymarine rudder angle indicator
Windpilot Pacific Autopilot with wheel adapter.windvane??if so +2k
Garmin GPS 60 with computer connection ( tracks can be uploaded ).
Apple MINI computer with movable flatscreen.
Radar Furuno Marine Radar 1623OK
Cassen&plath German precision marine sextantsell it
VHF with DSC, additional speaker in cockpitbrand?
HF with DSC, ICOM 802 with pactor modem for sailmail, grip files, weatherfaxgood--plus 2k
Two ICOM IC-M 88 waterproof handheld VHF.
MRD 80 Navtex & all HF frequency receiver with printout

LSA:
Viking live raft for 6 people in canister on deck.good--plus 3k
Life lines on port and starbord.normal equipment
2 Rescue vests???
1 lifevest
EPIRB global fix with build in GPS.good
DSC on VHF and HF.god
Flairs and rockets
Flair gun
High PWR searchlight
LED NAV and mooring lightgood
Steaming and decklight halogen

If you got this far, thanks for reading. Now whats your opinion? is it way overpriced or does the full inventory make it worth it?

Thanks for your advice/constructive criticism,
Cheers,
JJT

Do a similar +/-spreadsheet for the 411's on Yachtworld and make a fair offer, which will be ridiculously low in the eye of the buyer, then let the negotiations begin

[jolly jack tar]

Originally Posted by BWB75

Thanks for starting this discussion! Did you decide on an offer? Any news?

Yes, I actually made an offer which was refused. After which I took on a new project for work which will see me have no time off until Q2 next year so maybe its for the best. No point in having her in a marina and not being able to sail her for 9 months
will keep looking though,
cheers,

JJT

[jolly jack tar]

Donradcliffe,
Thanks very much for the breakdown and advice,
much appreciated and well noted.

cheers,
JJT