Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

View Poll Results: Delivery Crew Pays?
I think crew are worth paying for to ensure the safe passage of my vessel. 39 65.00%
I think crew should pay me to come on my boat, I am worth it. 2 3.33%
My case is a real hardship 1 1.67%
Give it up Delancey! 18 30.00%
Voters: 60. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 20-02-2015, 08:20   #31
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tortola
Posts: 700
Images: 1
Send a message via Yahoo to bvimatelot Send a message via Skype™ to bvimatelot
Re: Delivery Crew Pays?

Crew who pay are a potential legal minefield, particularly on a US flagged boat, not to mention the effect it would have on your insurance policy (and there may be something written about that in the very small print....) Tony
__________________

__________________
bvimatelot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2015, 08:32   #32
Registered User
 
Delancey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Miami, FL
Boat: sunk by irma
Posts: 3,462
Re: Delivery Crew Pays?

My response is basically the same as it is on the other thread. As far as I know there is no law against asking crew to pay same as there is no law against crew volunteering. However, CF has rules that prohibit doing so. Obviously it's a rule that is maybe only selectively enforced. But it's a rule and it exists for a reason.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SaucySailoress View Post
The membership category 'Marine Service Provider' covers everyone offering a marine related service or product. This includes charities, members with free products, members simply operating only on a non-profit basis to benefit other cruisers or to help cover costs, and full scale commercial operators.

We welcome marine related providers for the expertise they bring, and on behalf of all members we extend a special thanks if you are providing products or services for the benefit of cruisers at no charge.

In addition to our general community rules, which can be found here:
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ork&page=rules
Marine Service Providers must also adhere to the following:

Marine Service Provider Rules

- Soliciting Members: Marine Service Providers may not solicit our membership or advertise except as specifically allowed in these policies or by prior arrangement with Social Knowledge, LLC.
__________________

__________________
Delancey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2015, 08:40   #33
Wayfaring Mariner
 
captain58sailin's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Homer, AK is my home port
Boat: Skookum 53'
Posts: 4,045
Images: 5
Re: Delivery Crew Pays?

It is a dilemma. I would opt for what is fair. If I am going from point A to point B and I am being asked to provide the ride, I would first determine if the individual is compatible, dependable, knowledgeable, if those are true then I would be inclined to provide food and a bunk. If I am going for a commercial fishing trip then, the crew aboard is being paid a share of the net profit, after food, fuel, and bait is paid. Back packer on the dock coming along for the ride, probably still feed them, but will expect them to help with the upkeep and duties on the vessel. International voyage, they would have to put up their own bond for return airfare.
__________________
" Wisdom; is your reward for surviving your mistakes"
captain58sailin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2015, 08:45   #34
Registered User
 
FamilyVan's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,779
Re: Delivery Crew Pays?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bvimatelot View Post
Crew who pay are a potential legal minefield, particularly on a US flagged boat, not to mention the effect it would have on your insurance policy (and there may be something written about that in the very small print....) Tony
I can't think of any advantage to flagging your boat out of the US if you plan on making a small profit off of Hippy Hauling.

Shipping companies carrying real cargoes like iron ore and raw sugar go to great lengths to avoid Canadian, US or most European Flags.

I might be drifting the thread a little here though because I'm mixing the line between paying crew and paying passengers.

Sent from my SGH-I547C using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________
FamilyVan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2015, 19:37   #35
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tortola
Posts: 700
Images: 1
Send a message via Yahoo to bvimatelot Send a message via Skype™ to bvimatelot
Re: Delivery Crew Pays?

Quote:
Originally Posted by FamilyVan View Post
I can't think of any advantage to flagging your boat out of the US if you plan on making a small profit off of Hippy Hauling.

Shipping companies carrying real cargoes like iron ore and raw sugar go to great lengths to avoid Canadian, US or most European Flags.

I might be drifting the thread a little here though because I'm mixing the line between paying crew and paying passengers.

Sent from my SGH-I547C using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
As far as I know, the US CG makes no differentiation between crew and passengers if they are paying. As far as they are concerned, there's no such thing as a crew who pays: he/she is a passenger.
__________________
bvimatelot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2015, 19:47   #36
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: San Diego
Boat: Pearson 39-2 "Sea Story"
Posts: 1,109
Re: Delivery Crew Pays?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bvimatelot View Post
As far as I know, the US CG makes no differentiation between crew and passengers if they are paying. As far as they are concerned, there's no such thing as a crew who pays: he/she is a passenger.
This is my understanding of the regulations as well. As a matter of fact, I am not sure that they make any distinction between crew and passengers at all. They only care about paying, being paid or none of the above.
__________________
Greenhand is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2015, 20:03   #37
Registered User
 
soverel's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: South Florida
Boat: Soverel 30
Posts: 141
Re: Delivery Crew Pays?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenhand View Post
This is my understanding of the regulations as well. As a matter of fact, I am not sure that they make any distinction between crew and passengers at all. They only care about paying, being paid or none of the above.
And you better have at least a six pack licence if you are charging.

Sent from my HUAWEI-M931 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________
soverel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2015, 20:07   #38
Registered User
 
Wannabe-007's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Somewhere in the South Pacific
Boat: Leopard 40 Catamaran
Posts: 243
Re: Delivery Crew Pays?

A six pack allows you to operate for hire or reward! ?

Sent from my GT-I9295 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________
----
Attitude is EVERYTHING!
Wannabe-007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2015, 20:14   #39
Registered User
 
Wannabe-007's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Somewhere in the South Pacific
Boat: Leopard 40 Catamaran
Posts: 243
Re: Delivery Crew Pays?

So, a few of the boys decide we should go away for a long weekend... Everyone pitches in $100 and I go to the bottle shop, the supermarket, the butchers, and the video shop...
On the way out to Womanless Island, the CG good aboard and gives me a hefty fine for taking $400 in payment?


I don't think so.

Think people! Think!


Sent from my GT-I9295 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________
----
Attitude is EVERYTHING!
Wannabe-007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2015, 20:16   #40
Registered User
 
soverel's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: South Florida
Boat: Soverel 30
Posts: 141
Re: Delivery Crew Pays?

A six pack uscg license allows you to accept money from passengers/crew legally. And what constitutes as payment can sometimes be interpreted as bringing alcohol/ provisions. You have to be very careful.

It can be construed to be operating a charter without a license. Illegal.

Sent from my HUAWEI-M931 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________
soverel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2015, 20:41   #41
Registered User
 
avb3's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Florida/Alberta
Boat: Lippincott 30
Posts: 9,913
Images: 1
Re: Delivery Crew Pays?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wannabe-007 View Post
So, a few of the boys decide we should go away for a long weekend... Everyone pitches in $100 and I go to the bottle shop, the supermarket, the butchers, and the video shop...
On the way out to Womanless Island, the CG good aboard and gives me a hefty fine for taking $400 in payment?


I don't think so.

Think people! Think!


Sent from my GT-I9295 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
Technically, the answer is yes, you can be fined. People have been, so it is not just theoretical.
__________________
If your attitude resembles the south end of a bull heading north, it's time to turn around.
avb3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2015, 20:42   #42
Registered User
 
soverel's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: South Florida
Boat: Soverel 30
Posts: 141
Re: Delivery Crew Pays?

Under the new law a passenger for hire is is a passenger for whom consideration is contributed as a condition of carriage on the vessel, whether directly or indirectly flowing to the owner, charterer, agent or any other persons having an interest in the vessel.

http://cs.brown.edu/~jfh/boats/FAQ/node41.html

Voluntary contributions do not count, but if a contribution for food is required as a condition of being on the boat, well its a federal offense if you dont have a license.

Sent from my HUAWEI-M931 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________
soverel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2015, 20:49   #43
Registered User
 
soverel's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: South Florida
Boat: Soverel 30
Posts: 141
Re: Delivery Crew Pays?

http://blog.nj.com/boating/2008/03/w...k_license.html

Sent from my HUAWEI-M931 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________
soverel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2015, 21:15   #44
Registered User
 
soverel's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: South Florida
Boat: Soverel 30
Posts: 141
Re: Delivery Crew Pays?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wannabe-007 View Post
So, a few of the boys decide we should go away for a long weekend... Everyone pitches in $100 and I go to the bottle shop, the supermarket, the butchers, and the video shop...
On the way out to Womanless Island, the CG good aboard and gives me a hefty fine for taking $400 in payment?


I don't think so.

Think people! Think!


Sent from my GT-I9295 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
Does the designated driver have to pitch in for the bottle shop?

which can carry a penalty ranging from $110 to $32,500, depending on the specific violation. IDNR issued separate citations for violations of state laws including the lack of a U.S Coast Guard license. The operator's boat was also confiscated by Chicago Police, as he was operating commercially without appropriate business license requirements.

http://www.professionalmariner.com/W...charter-boats/


That does not even mention the criminal penalties.

Oh and btw bui is illegal too. Think people think.


Sent from my HUAWEI-M931 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________
soverel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-02-2015, 21:24   #45
Registered User
 
funjohnson's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Currently Indiantown FL
Boat: 37' aluminum pilothouse "Elements"
Posts: 1,847
Re: Delivery Crew Pays?

At the docks in Grand Canary, we were asked non stop if people could sail with us across the Atlantic this year. All offered to pay their own expenses. People are looking to learn and have the experience to sail... why should I pay for their food too?

We sailed just my wife and I. 34' is too small for crew.
__________________

__________________
MJSailing.com - Written Blog
Youtube MJ sailing - Vlog
funjohnson is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
crew, delivery

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Dominica PAYS Shoutout krafthaus Atlantic & the Caribbean 18 06-02-2014 04:55
PAYS Sunday BBQ / Portsmouth, Dominica KDH Fishing, Recreation & Fun 1 22-03-2012 09:24
Free: Competent Cook, Pays Her Own Way kiwiladysailor Classifieds Archive 8 27-11-2011 19:49
Who Pays when Accidents Happen mtembene General Sailing Forum 101 23-09-2011 13:39



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 14:17.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.