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Old 15-11-2015, 10:45   #31
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Re: Brokers, Surveyors, Insurance companies, and Fools

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"Capable" and "Ready" are two entirely different things - both the boat and the skipper/crew. Boats are not like new cars.
Yes, I know they are expected to float.

Given the cost, then, they should be better prepared than cars are. Why aren't they?

Why do we pay thousands and millions for things that are not turn key?

What is the extra cost (say as a percentage of face value) of a 'ready' boat over a 'capable' one? 50%?

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Old 15-11-2015, 11:30   #32
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... the “sailor” in his story he used to embellish his diatribe clearly behaved like fool and paid the consequences.


The buyer now openly admits he was a fool to take the word of the broker and surveyor. He learned the hard way.

As for embellishing my "diatribe", (or "rant" as other detractors call it) that's just silly. I have no bitterness over the incident at all. I'm being paid well to correct the dereliction of this boat, which was extensive and unreported in the survey. I posted the story to help wake up some equally unprepared boat searchers to show them how cautious they need to be when relying on the words of "professionals".

There is not one of a thousand recreational boat owners who comprehensively know the systems and complexity of a cruising sailboat. This is true of many who have had thousands of miles of trouble free sailing, usually on other peoples boats as crew or on smaller river and lake boats. People use "professionals" to compensate for their lack of knowledge and have a right to fair representation for what they pay for. Unfortunately that is seldom what they get. Every competent shipwright knows this. Few boat owners do.
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Old 15-11-2015, 12:13   #33
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Vino,
Thanks for your writeup - whether or not one agrees with all your points, there are many good lessons and reminders in here. Hope the project goes well for you now. All the best,
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Old 15-11-2015, 14:14   #34
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Vino,
Thanks for your writeup - whether or not one agrees with all your points, there are many good lessons and reminders in here. Hope the project goes well for you now. All the best,
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I'll second this motion. Hope all goes well.

I will disagree that only one in a thousand sailors understand the complexities of sailboats. I think there are many, many who do, or at least are entirely knowledgeable enough to evaluate, maintain, and operate their boats. There are many who cannot. In my experience as a professional, most professionals are specialists who may, or may not, be experts in their specialty or specialties, but who are certainly not any where close to being general experts on all things sailboat. And that includes some who may call themselves a shipwright. I have known, and worked with, many competent professionals, who by their life/work history (often boat owners themselves) are at least as good as any, including some shipwrights. I'm not a total expert but I feel completely competent to manage and operate my boat, and I can do better than many surveyors in some aspects but not in all. But I can learn and fix things as I go, and I know how to stay safe (as any one can be) far away from, or close to, land.
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