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Old 24-04-2014, 15:25   #331
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Methinks you take life and Westies way to seriously...
Not really, I like a good time as much as the next guy... but I don't make fun of other peoples boats....especially if I don't even have experience on those boats. That would be in poor taste and juvenile behavior. Your response show more about who you are as a person then what type of boat the Westsail really is.
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Not really, I like a good time as much as the next guy... but I don't make fun of other peoples boats....especially if I don't even have experience on those boats. That would be in poor taste and juvenile behavior. Your response show more about who you are as a person then what type of boat the Westsail really is.
Actually the poke was at your phrasing... you went through 11 Westsail's to cover 60,000 miles..
Now if you'd just stuck to stating your mileage...
but chucking in how many Westsail's it took to do it as well...!!
whats a guy to think..?
Would never dream of poking fun at a boat... the skipper however
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Old 24-04-2014, 15:55   #333
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Actually the poke was at your phrasing... you went through 11 Westsail's to cover 60,000 miles..
Now if you'd just stuck to stating your mileage...
but chucking in how many Westsail's it took to do it as well...!!
whats a guy to think..?
Would never dream of poking fun at a boat... the skipper however
Once again you are mistaken, it was not me who posted the figures. Oregonian is a delivery skipper who owns a Westsail 32. He has also delivered a bunch of them, that is why the mileages are spread out over 11 boats.
Do try to keep up
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Old 24-04-2014, 16:16   #334
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Once again you are mistaken, it was not me who posted the figures. Oregonian is a delivery skipper who owns a Westsail 32. He has also delivered a bunch of them, that is why the mileages are spread out over 11 boats.
Do try to keep up
Damn... musta missed that while I was at the bar...
I suck at multi tasking...
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Damn... musta missed that while I was at the bar...
I suck at multi tasking...
I didn't take any issue with boatman's comments and after doing the math thought it was quite funny and meant in the spirit of good fun. There is a rumor that Oregonian is Dave King, winner of the Tranpac in a Westsail32 and a legend amongst us Westsail cultists, don't think he was offended either.
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The real speed difference between the well designed full keel boat and the well designed fin is the size of the Cajones on the skipper and crew!
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...There is a rumor that Oregonian is Dave King, winner of the Tranpac in a Westsail32 and a legend amongst us Westsail cultists, don't think he was offended either.
Some confusion there. I don't think a Westsail ever won in compensated theTranspac race. Maybe you are referring to to the Pacific cup, the fun race to Hawaii? On that one, 26 years ago a Westsail 32 won in compensated time with an average speed of 5.86K. That speed average was considered a fantastic performance for an Westsail 32:

"In 1988 winds were lighter than usual at 15 to 22 knots, and the seas were smooth. ...The winner on corrected time was Saraband, a Westsail 32 that had sailed a consistent pace for 14 days, 17 hours elapsed time, an amazing feat in relatively light winds. "

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The real speed difference between the well designed full keel boat and the well designed fin is the size of the Cajones on the skipper and crew!
You mean Cojones? You can have them the size you want but the Pacific Cup or the Transpac are downwind races and with an average of 15/22K winds and calm seas a modern performance cruiser like the Pogo 30 will be doing between 8 and 12K. Have a look:



The size of the cojones will not help a boat that buries itself on the water no matter the amount of sail you fly. Besides to go on those conditions fast on a Pogo 30 you don't need big cojones. It is easy.
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You mean Cojones? You can have them the size you want but the Pacific Cup or the Transpac are downwind races and with an average of 15/22K winds and calm seas a modern performance cruiser like the Pogo 30 will be doing between 8 and 12K. Have a look:



The size of the cojones will not help a boat that buries itself on the water no matter the amount of sail you fly. Besides to go on those conditions fast on a Pogo 30 you don't need big cojones. It is easy.
Gee all that nautical elegance and only $220,000. Hard to resist, but I'll try.
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Gee all that nautical elegance and only $220,000. Hard to resist, but I'll try.
And for me about as aesthetically pleasing as a fridge or washing machine......

Each to there own i guess....
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And for me about as aesthetically pleasing as a fridge or washing machine......

Each to there own i guess....
Have to agree. It puts the Ug back in Ugly.
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More sail area per length of boat. and with the sail out in front of the boat it creates more lift. This boat has a lot of power when I put up my 175% genoa
But more sail area per lengt of boat is not what makes a better boat.

If you were to keep the displacement the same, but make the boat 40 feet long you'd get a boat with more or less the same amount of living space, the same sail area, the same purchase and/or running costs but one that does sail a lot faster...
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I didn't take any issue with boatman's comments and after doing the math thought it was quite funny and meant in the spirit of good fun. There is a rumor that Oregonian is Dave King, winner of the Tranpac in a Westsail32 and a legend amongst us Westsail cultists, don't think he was offended either.
Phew...
I was starting to think I was a real evil ba$tard...
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And for me about as aesthetically pleasing as a fridge or washing machine......

Each to there own i guess....
Well, you have to wait a long time. They have a long waiting list for delivery.

I agree that what ones find pleasant to the eye in a boat differs as the type of boat that one finds suitable to be his cruising boat. The Pogo 30 was posted only because someone was pretending a Westsail 32 is a fast boat, one that can win races (out of compensated, since any boat can win in compensated, if the handicap is good).

The Westsail 32 would be beautiful to some, just an old shoe to others, it is a seaworthy boat, but fast is a thing it is not, in comparison with modern fast 32ft boats.
The Pogo 30 is a good example of a fast small cruiser with offshore potential.

One has done the last ARC: average speed 8.2K.

That was the only point I was trying to make. I am a believer in what regards boat diversity. It would be dull if all were the same
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Some confusion there. I don't think a Westsail ever won in compensated theTranspac race. Maybe you are referring to to the Pacific cup, the fun race to Hawaii? On that one, 26 years ago a Westsail 32 won in compensated time with an average speed of 5.86K. That speed average was considered a fantastic performance for an Westsail 32:

"In 1988 winds were lighter than usual at 15 to 22 knots, and the seas were smooth. ...The winner on corrected time was Saraband, a Westsail 32 that had sailed a consistent pace for 14 days, 17 hours elapsed time, an amazing feat in relatively light winds. "

https://pacificcup.org/history
The Pac cup is also a Transpac. By the way, last years Transpac was won by Dorade, a wooden boat built in 1929. As long as there are races that are not one design any boat can win. I bet the ride on Dorade or Saraband was 20 times more comfortable that being in a refrigerator with a mast. That is a matter of opinion of course.
How did you figure the average speed? From the rumbline course? Surely you are not thinking that was the actual average speed?
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