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Old 23-04-2014, 19:04   #316
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Referring to the sailing characteristics of a Westsail 32, goboatingnow says “sure if you don’t mind being covered in sea water half the time” goboatingnow, would you please tell all of us exactly how many miles have you sailed on a Westsail 32 so that you can make that claim? If what you say - based on your experience - is true, then I must say that you are an extremely poor sailor. I have sailed Westsail 32’s (a total of 11 of them) totalling over 60,000nm and have never been covered in sea water. Please explain to us why you made that comment. Two examples of boats, more likely to be covered in sea water, would be a Yamaha 33 or Swan 37. There are, of course MANY more examples.
Lojanica, Yes Satori was refloated. As of one year ago it was in the water in Texas. The boat was virtually undamaged.
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I don't know... they can't be that good if they need replacing every 6000 odd miles...
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Old 23-04-2014, 19:24   #317
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Re: A Full Keel Blue Water Cruiser Worthy of Living Aboard

Oregonian may have forgotten about the bowsprit acting like a water scoop when sailing hard on the wind in a blow.

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Ok I will cast my vote for the William Garden Designed Mariner 40 we have owned and sailed now for several years. We have been in fairly heavy weather with very little issues and I love the way she handles in all weather conditions.
There is two main things I would change.
One would be the cockpit layout so that I can stand next to, or behind the wheel. As it is, I pretty much have to sit on the doghouse while at the helm and is hard to not slide off in rough seas.
Two, I would change the V-birth layout with a double birth to the starboard, instead of splitting the birth down the middle with the main mast.

Other than that she sails like a dream. has tons of storage below and very roomy for its size.
I think these yachts are under rated and do not get the attention they deserve.


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Oregonian may have forgotten about the bowsprit acting like a water scoop when sailing hard on the wind in a blow.

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The bowsprit does not scoop water, it is rectangular in shape. Its true that it is possible to scoop water over the bow if the conditions are right, just like any boat it will get wet if the conditions are right. Jim Cate may not be familiar with the original source of the derogatory nickname for our boats. It was started by someone with an agenda - to sell his own line of boats.
Pretty sleazy, just like some of the derogatory comments on here.
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Referring to the sailing characteristics of a Westsail 32, goboatingnow says “sure if you don’t mind being covered in sea water half the time” goboatingnow, would you please tell all of us exactly how many miles have you sailed on a Westsail 32 so that you can make that claim? If what you say - based on your experience - is true, then I must say that you are an extremely poor sailor. I have sailed Westsail 32’s (a total of 11 of them) totalling over 60,000nm and have never been covered in sea water. Please explain to us why you made that comment. Two examples of boats, more likely to be covered in sea water, would be a Yamaha 33 or Swan 37. There are, of course MANY more examples.
Lojanica, Yes Satori was refloated. As of one year ago it was in the water in Texas. The boat was virtually undamaged.
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I don't know... they can't be that good if they need replacing every 6000 odd miles...
How many miles have you sailed on a Westsail 32 boatman?
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Ok I will cast my vote for the William Garden Designed Mariner 40 we have owned and sailed now for several years. We have been in fairly heavy weather with very little issues and I love the way she handles in all weather conditions.
This is a very nice boat. But...

Every time I see a boat with a fixed bowsprit I ask myself. Why not just make the hull longer?
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This is a very nice boat. But...

Every time I see a boat with a fixed bowsprit I ask myself. Why not just make the hull longer?

More sail area per length of boat. and with the sail out in front of the boat it creates more lift. This boat has a lot of power when I put up my 175% genoa
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How many miles have you sailed on a Westsail 32 boatman?
Methinks you take life and Westies way to seriously...
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Ok I will cast my vote for the William Garden Designed Mariner 40 we have owned and sailed now for several years. We have been in fairly heavy weather with very little issues and I love the way she handles in all weather conditions.
There is two main things I would change.
One would be the cockpit layout so that I can stand next to, or behind the wheel. As it is, I pretty much have to sit on the doghouse while at the helm and is hard to not slide off in rough seas.
Two, I would change the V-birth layout with a double birth to the starboard, instead of splitting the birth down the middle with the main mast.

Other than that she sails like a dream. has tons of storage below and very roomy for its size.
I think these yachts are under rated and do not get the attention they deserve.


Beautiful vessel, we have one here at the marina, makes my heart go pitter patter.
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...Why not just make the hull longer?
That would create more wetted surface and effectively move the sail plan aft..
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Oregonian may have forgotten about the bowsprit acting like a water scoop when sailing hard on the wind in a blow.

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Love to have that good pointing ability in any boat..
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That would create more wetted surface and effectively move the sail plan aft..
Yeppers, that also
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BTW the bowsprit does dig occasionally although not typically a problem.

The added sail area and forward genoa are worth it. I wouldn't say it's a "dry boat" but not "wet" either. Sort of moderately dry with a hint of pleasant humidity and subtle teak like tannins to tease the taste buds....
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The bowsprit does not scoop water, it is rectangular in shape. Its true that it is possible to scoop water over the bow if the conditions are right, just like any boat it will get wet if the conditions are right. Jim Cate may not be familiar with the original source of the derogatory nickname for our boats. It was started by someone with an agenda - to sell his own line of boats.
Pretty sleazy, just like some of the derogatory comments on here.

Next time I take some waves over the bow of my M40 I will take a video of it. If I can recall, I believe the bowsprit actualy helps deflect the wave to the sides so I don't get so much water on the deck.
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