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Old 22-04-2014, 07:16   #301
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Re: A Full Keel Blue Water Cruiser Worthy of Living Aboard

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Well said.

What does it say when 20 kt winds keep the most modern race boats at the dock?

San Francisco: America's Cup time trials cancelled because of strong winds | abc7news.com

I think the OP is looking for a sea worthy craft with a rudder that won't fall off when flipper scratches his back on it.
Good comment. A good bit of this discussion overlooks that basic point.
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Old 22-04-2014, 09:59   #302
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Well said.

What does it say when 20 kt winds keep the most modern race boats at the dock?

San Francisco: America's Cup time trials cancelled because of strong winds | abc7news.com

I think the OP is looking for a sea worthy craft with a rudder that won't fall off when flipper scratches his back on it.
You mean like this.
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Haaa the perfect storm!!! This westsails are made to endure anything the ocean will provide, fine example!!!
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Old 22-04-2014, 11:11   #304
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You mean like this.

Looks like the rudder is intact.
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Re: A Full Keel Blue Water Cruiser Worthy of Living Aboard

Considering Satori the name of the thread should be "A full keel blue water cruiser worth taking two woman aboard"
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Haaa the perfect storm!!! This westsails are made to endure anything the ocean will provide, fine example!!!
sure if you like being covered in sea water half the time

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You mean like this.
Did they refloat Satori? Is it still in the fleet of recreational craft?
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sure if you like being covered in sea water half the time

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HE he he he !!! Sure , better than have a weak boat fail in pieces....
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Referring to the sailing characteristics of a Westsail 32, goboatingnow says “sure if you don’t mind being covered in sea water half the time” goboatingnow, would you please tell all of us exactly how many miles have you sailed on a Westsail 32 so that you can make that claim? If what you say - based on your experience - is true, then I must say that you are an extremely poor sailor. I have sailed Westsail 32’s (a total of 11 of them) totalling over 60,000nm and have never been covered in sea water. Please explain to us why you made that comment. Two examples of boats, more likely to be covered in sea water, would be a Yamaha 33 or Swan 37. There are, of course MANY more examples.
Lojanica, Yes Satori was refloated. As of one year ago it was in the water in Texas. The boat was virtually undamaged.
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The Westsail 32 has a history to be proud of.
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Please forgive me in advance, don't take the wrong way because I certainly do not want to be rude, but.... I am wondering if maybe there should be a separate thread started for those of you who want to continue ad infinitum discussing the engineering aspects of hull design. This poor guy just wanted a recommendation on a nice full keeled cruising boat. There may be others (me for one) who are still following the thread hoping something of that nature might actually pop up too. But mostly now we're seeing equations that I am sure the vast majority of us don't understand and could care less about.[/QUOTEDitt

Ditto, I used to cut math class to go sailing.
They don't show up that often, but we sailed a 36' Cape George cutter, built in Port Townsend, WA for 20 years. Full keel, 24 ton and a very fast boat. It was always pleasant to sail past more modern designs that lacked the heft to keep going in light winds with a bit of chop. Our fastest passage was 19 days to Hilo from Eureka, CA and 21 days back to Victoria from Kauai. The key is to have a tall mast, so that with a 19' boom and a 110% yankee you could sail rings around other designs in light air, and then when it got nasty put three reefs in and sail with just the staysail through most anything. The outboard hung rudder lends itself to a trim tab driven by a light wind vane (we used an Autohelm) that kept her straight in most any direction of wind. The 31' is probably as fast as the 36', but both are what people thought a racing boat should look like in 1939. Ours was Anthem, the third photo here: Cape George Cutters § Cape George 36' Photos § Cecil Lange / William Atkin / traditional full keel sailboat

Over the years, we hit a submerged rock off Calvert Island up north at 7 knots that lifted the boat out of the water 3 feet with nothing to show for it but a scratch in the fiberglass, and a whale at about the same speed in the middle of the Pacific. I presume the whale got a headache, but there was no damage to Anthem.

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Oddly enough the Man has the Beneteau 456 on his list and speaks highly of it. Its the FIRST series of the early and mid 80s design. The 38, 42, and the 456 in the first series are the designs written about.
Our boat being of the same, is now 30 years old.. Which brings up a good point, not the boat but the age of the boat..

As most full time cruisers will agree, much of your time is spent working on your boat, and its even been given a discription of Cruising as "repairing your boat in Exotic Ports"
So what type of your boat are you willing or prepaired to work on. and unless you are rich as hell, you'll have to do your own work.
If you've got a butt load of Marine know how, then any boat will work but if your limited, best to choose what you can handle..
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Did they refloat Satori? Is it still in the fleet of recreational craft?

Yes
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Re: A Full Keel Blue Water Cruiser Worthy of Living Aboard

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...we sailed a 36' Cape George cutter...
These are to die for!

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...Beneteau 456 ... the FIRST series of the early and mid 80s design. The 38, 42, and the 456 in the first series are the designs written about...
Don't forget the First 435E, the hotrod of the bunch, with a tall 3-spreader rig. These are wonderful sailing boats, fast, built very strong, and with a lovely teak and afromosia interior. Frers designed and built in France! All top Goiot hardware. Lovely with the teak decks. The feel of the helm is so light and precise.
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Referring to the sailing characteristics of a Westsail 32, goboatingnow says “sure if you don’t mind being covered in sea water half the time” goboatingnow, would you please tell all of us exactly how many miles have you sailed on a Westsail 32 so that you can make that claim? If what you say - based on your experience - is true, then I must say that you are an extremely poor sailor. I have sailed Westsail 32’s (a total of 11 of them) totalling over 60,000nm and have never been covered in sea water. Please explain to us why you made that comment. Two examples of boats, more likely to be covered in sea water, would be a Yamaha 33 or Swan 37. There are, of course MANY more examples.
Lojanica, Yes Satori was refloated. As of one year ago it was in the water in Texas. The boat was virtually undamaged.
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That's a tough one to reply to Dave.
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