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Old 17-12-2014, 10:34   #1
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US and Cuba to normalize relationship!

Obama: US re-establishing relations with Cuba

I just watched the Presidents speech live on TV! Sounds like it's real this time and it's FINALLY going to happen
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According to the NY Times "Ordinary tourism, however, will remain prohibited" so no boat trips to Cuba quite yet.
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According to the NY Times "Ordinary tourism, however, will remain prohibited" so no boat trips to Cuba quite yet.
Hopefully that will change.
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Does Cruising in your own boat count as 'Ordinary'?? Probably just means commercial flights and possibly cruise ship stops or whatever.

Oh wait, there's that damn Congress thing in the way again.... who knows.

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Yes, cruising in your own boat is still illegal. You still have to get permission from the State Department before you (as a U.S. citizen) can go to Cuba. And to get that permission you still have to fit into one of the "approved" categories. Going there just because you want to is NOT one of the categories!

While this is long overdue, and I hope it leads to much more, the truth is that today's announcement changes very little.
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I think what it changes the most is the governments stance towards where our relations are headed to with Cuba. If you haven't had a chance your should really watch the speech. I understand it's only a Presidents declarations and executive power, but it's still some very welcome news that things may soon be changing.
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There will no doubt be push back from the older Americans of Cuban origin, especially in Miami, but a recent news article reports their children have diverged from this mindset and favour improved relations between the U.S. and Cuba. Also at play will be recent mid-term election results giving Republicans control over the House and Senate. Depends upon how much President Obama can use his executive authority to change things before the newly elected members take their seats.

I've had to pass on sailing to Cuba twice now, and consider an opening up of diplomatic relations between the U.S. an Cuba that removes existing prohibitions as the sole reason I'd do another near global circumnavigation.
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Good move on Obama's part IMO.

Every time someone starts talking about freedoms in the USA, I can't help but thinking "I can't even take a vacation in Cuba if I want, what's with that?". Would be nice to join rest of world and accept Cuba's existence.
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Politics aside, it would be great to be able to cruise to Cuba. Way cooler than the Bahamas. A friend of mine sailed there in his Lazy Jack Schooner about 15 years ago in one of the Havana Cup Regattas. He absolutely loved it.
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You cannot leave politics aside. This is a communist country. Most of you have not lived under communism. It is horrible. Your pleasure of sailing there cannot possibly justify support of theses utopia and therefore bloody regimes. Naïveté is not far from stupidity in this case.
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One of the best ways to reform an oppressive government is to give the common person a good look at what they are missing.
Possibly a way to do that would be for Cubans to see cruisers, they just might decide they would like a little of that too.
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Fifty years with no tangible change is resounding proof that the embargo is a failed policy. As has been proven repeatedly throughout history, interaction is a potent catalyst for change. Interaction does not equate to approval of the Castros' policies.

The Cuban people are wonderful. Here is hoping that this change in policy improves their lives.
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You cannot leave politics aside. This is a communist country. Most of you have not lived under communism. It is horrible. Your pleasure of sailing there cannot possibly justify support of theses utopia and therefore bloody regimes. Naïveté is not far from stupidity in this case.
that is right..total contempt for Communism and anyone that still thinks its a good idea..That being said its time for a new "tack"..
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I thought this thread was closed.
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You guys are idiots if you think my post in any way supported Communism but if you want to puff yourselves up go right ahead.
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