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Old 26-09-2014, 10:49   #1
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No Go Zones

due to recent events this is something that probably should be discussed on the forum for those actively cruising.

the French who pretty much go anywhere have put out a long list of countries considered to be high risk for travellers.

interestingly Turkey,tunisia,egypt,malaysia and morocco are on the list,fairly regular stops for cruisers.

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Terrorisme : Les Comores dans la liste française des pays déconseillés aux touristes


Terrorism: The Comoros in the French list of countries not recommended for tourists

Following the murder of Hervé Gourdel and entry into the war against France the Islamic State, the Department of Foreign Affairs has updated yesterday its list of countries to avoid because of the risk of jihadist actions.

Eleven countries were added to the new list: Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Burundi, Tanzania, Somalia, Uganda ... and Comoros.
The decision to expand the list of countries where French, resident and visiting, were called to the "utmost vigilance" follows a defense council met behind President Francois Hollande.
On its website, the Quai d Orsay justifies his choice by stating that "in the context of the intervention of the international coalition against Daech, and facing the increased kidnappings and hostile acts against the nationals of coalition countries risk, the French resident or crossing in the country are invited to increase their vigilance.

" When traveling in these countries, the ministry advises French tourists to register on the site Ariane or to notify the consulate of France with the closest they are not registered in the register of French residents outside France.

Complete list of countries not recommended for French tourists:

Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, United Arab Emirates, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Jordan, Kenya, Kuwait, Lebanon, Malaysia, Mali, Morocco, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Uganda, Oman, Pakistan, Philippines, Qatar, Senegal, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tanzania, Chad, Palestinian Territories, Tunisia , Turkey, Yemen.
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Re: NO GO ZONES

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Old 26-09-2014, 11:35   #3
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Re: NO GO ZONES

something to bear in mind if you ever get into a hostage situation

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http://www.dm.usda.gov/ocpm/Security...ror/Kidnap.htm
Kidnapping and Hostage
Survival Guidelines

The chances of your being kidnapped or taken hostage are small. If it does happen, your chances of survival are high. Kidnapping is a terrifying experience, but you probably possess more personal resources than you think to cope with the situation. Remember, you are of value to those who are holding you only if you are alive, and they want to keep you that way. Your best defense is passive cooperation. The more time passes, the better your chances of being released alive.

Kidnapping can happen anywhere -- you can be taken off the street, from a car, or from your hotel room or residence. The best opportunity for escape is in the beginning, during the confusion of the apprehension while you are still in a public place. If escape is impossible or too risky, you should nevertheless try to cause as much commotion as safely possible to draw attention to the situation. You need to make others aware that an abduction has taken place so that the authorities are notified and the search can begin. Otherwise, it could be hours or days before your absence is reported. Also see Defensive Driving Overseas.

Once you have been forced into a vehicle, you may be blindfolded, beaten (to cause unconsciousness), drugged, or forced to lie face down on the floor of the vehicle. In some instances, hostages have been forced into trunks or specially built compartments for transporting contraband. If drugs are administered, do not resist. Their purpose will be to sedate you and make you more manageable. It is probably better to be drugged than to be beaten unconscious. If you are conscious, follow your captors’ instructions.

While being confined and transported, do not struggle. Calm yourself mentally and concentrate on surviving. Attempt to visualize the route being taken, make a mental note of turns, street noise, smells, etc. Try to keep track of the amount of time spent between points. You will be asked questions about this after your release in an effort to determine where you were held.

Once you have arrived at your destination, you may be placed in a temporary holding area before being moved again to a more permanent detention site. If you are interrogated:
•Retain a sense of pride but act cooperative.
•Divulge only information that cannot be used against you. Make every effort to avoid embarrassing the U.S. and the host government.
•Do not antagonize your interrogator with obstinate behavior.
•Concentrate on surviving. If you are to be used as a bargaining tool or to obtain ransom, you will be kept alive.

After reaching what you may presume to be your permanent detention site (you may be moved several more times), quickly settle into the situation.
•Be observant. Notice the details of the room, the sounds of activity in the building and determine the layout of the building by studying what is visible to you. Listen for sounds through walls, windows or out in the streets, and try to distinguish between smells. Note the number, names, physical description, accents, habits , and rank structure of your captors. Try to memorize this information so that you can report it after your release.
•Know your captors. Memorize their schedule, look for patterns of behavior to be used to your advantage, and identify weaknesses or vulnerabilities. Use this information to assess opportunities to escape.
•Expect to be accused of being an intelligence agent and to be interrogated intensively. Do not admit to any accusations. Keep your answers short and don't volunteer information or make unnecessary overtures.
•Try to establish a rapport with your captors. Family is a universal subject. So are sports and many hobbies. Your goal should be to get the hostage takers to view you as a real person, rather than simply an object. Listen actively to the terrorists' feelings and concerns, but never praise, participate in, or debate their "cause." If you know your captors' language, use it. Ask them to teach you their language.
•Speak normally. Don't complain. Avoid being belligerent and comply with all orders and instructions. Once a level of rapport or communication is achieved, try asking for items that will increase your personal comfort. Don't be afraid to ask for anything you need or want such as medicines, books, or papers. Make requests in a reasonable, low-key manner.
•Plan on a lengthy stay and devise a way to keep track of the passage of time. If isolated, you can approximate time by noting changes in temperature between night and day, the frequency and intensity of outside noises (traffic, birds), and by observing the alertness of guards.
•Establish a daily schedule of mental as well as physical exercise. If your movement is extremely limited, use isometric and flexing exercises to keep your muscles toned. To maintain your strength, eat what you are given even if it does not look appetizing and you don't feel hungry. Use relaxation techniques to reduce stress.
•If you detect the presence of other hostages in the same building, try to devise ways to communicate.

During interrogation, do not be uncooperative, antagonistic, or hostile towards your captors. Captives who display this type of behavior are often held longer or become the object of torture or punishment. Take a simple, tenable position and stick to it. Be polite and keep your temper. Give short answers. Talk freely about nonessential matters, but be guarded when conversations turn to matters of substance. Don't be lulled by a friendly approach. Remember, one terrorist may play "Good Guy" and one "Bad Guy." This is the most common interrogation technique.

Watch for signs of "Stockholm Syndrome" which occurs when the captive, due to the close proximity and the constant pressures involved, begins to relate to, and empathize with, the captors. In some cases, this relationship has resulted in the hostage becoming sympathetic to the point that he/she actively participates in the activities of the group. Establish a friendly rapport with your captors, but maintain your personal dignity and do not compromise your integrity.

If forced to present terrorist demands to authorities, either in writing or on tape, state clearly that the demands are from your captors. Avoid making a plea on your own behalf.

Be patient, as hostage negotiations are often difficult and time consuming. Remember, your chances of survival increase with time. Most episodes of kidnapping or hostage-taking end with no loss of life or physical injury to the captive. Eventually you will probably be released or rescued. Do not try to escape unless you are certain of success. If you are able to escape, go first to a U.S. Embassy or Consulate to seek protection. If you cannot reach either, go to a host government or friendly government office.

If an attempt is made to rescue you, keep a low profile and immediately follow all instructions. Rescue will generally be attempted only after negotiations have failed. That means that lives of hostages, terrorists, and rescue forces are all at risk during the rescue. You don't want to be shot in the confusion while the rescue team identifies the terrorists, who may try to disguise themselves as hostages. To protect yourself, follow these rules:
•DO NOT RUN. Drop to the floor and remain still. If that is not possible, cross your arms on your chest, bow your head, and stand still. Make no sudden moves that a tense rescuer may interpret as hostile.
•Wait for instructions and obey all instructions you are given.
•Don't be upset if a rescuer isn't sure whether you are a terrorist or hostage. Even if you are handcuffed and searched, do not resist. Just wait for the confusion to clear.
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Re: NO GO ZONES

At least Morocco, I've been there too many times and have always thought Morocco isn't Africa, well it is of course, but they don't act like it.

Israel? Kuwait? I din't lose anything there, no reason to go back, but I though it was safe?
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In response to your kidnap post.
Your chances of escape drop drastically as time passes
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At least Morocco, I've been there too many times and have always thought Morocco isn't Africa, well it is of course, but they don't act like it.

Israel? Kuwait? I din't lose anything there, no reason to go back, but I though it was safe?
I thought Australia was safe until last week

Australian Police Shoot Dead Terrorist Suspect After Stabbing Attack - WSJ
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I can't see how anybody can be surprised here. Just read who is bombing whom and you know why the warning. That simple. That French climber that got beheaded where? Algeria?

Anywhere there are muslims and French in the same place there can be retaliation for French bombing of muslim people.

Bad news is France should be at the top of their own list.

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Re: NO GO ZONES

The UK has upped themselves to a 'severe risk' rating.... I think I'll stay indoors for the next decade.
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The shocking thing to me is that apparently the French didn't already consider a lot of those countries high risk
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Thanks atoll for bringing the latest advisories to our attention. It would be good to keep this thread for that reason. If we can keep it on track and keep politics out of it, it will be a great resource!
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The US also has Step, Smart Traveler Enrollment Program. It is most important that people at home are kept abreast of where you are. Years ago I was involved with a factory in El Paso. We advised our employees who went there not to drive into Juarez, take a taxi if they must go. Also, to make sure someone knew where you were going and when you should be back. Without this, someone could end up in jail in Juarez and no one would know to start searching. Lots of jails there too.

travel.state.gov has excellent information on all countries and all the possibilities. They even tell you what the state department will and will not do to help you. They go into great detail on their warnings for each country. For instance, for Mexico where there were 70 US citizens kidnapped between January and June, they tell you state by state which areas have warnings. Look especially at the restrictions placed on US government employees.

There are plenty of relatively safe places we can all cruise, but it still makes sense to educate yourself on each area you're considering and make informed decisions. Then also know what to do if problems arise.
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Re: NO GO ZONES

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The UK has upped themselves to a 'severe risk' rating.... I think I'll stay indoors for the next decade.
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Which is basically the same as Australia currently at "High" level.....

UK "Severe" level = "An Attack is Highly Likely"

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/home/the-thre...at-levels.html

Australian "High" level = "Terrorist Attack is Likely"

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Thanks atoll for bringing the latest advisories to our attention. It would be good to keep this thread for that reason. If we can keep it on track and keep politics out of it, it will be a great resource!
latest from the gulf of aden from UNFOR

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We have "No Go Zones" right here in our Massachusetts neighborhood, which is why we always have Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson along with us.

Under our current US flag, we might need to re-think Turkey... I hope not. Maybe heading over under a Canadian or Maltese flag might be the answer.

I'm surprised Oklahoma isn't on the French list.
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I can't see how anybody can be surprised here. Just read who is bombing whom and you know why the warning. That simple. That French climber that got beheaded where? Algeria?

Anywhere there are muslims and French in the same place there can be retaliation for French bombing of muslim people.

Bad news is France should be at the top of their own list.

Sad.

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What a strange thing to say, I don't see the UK banning travel to itself

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