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Old 09-08-2013, 09:07   #121
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Doesn't matter! You need to assume that your boat can be knocked down at ANY moment at ANY place, even in protected waters!
Oh for gods sake, that's nonsense

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Not sure what you are describing wasn't a broach. But, not having been there I'll accept your description of the event as a "knock down".

From: knockdown: definition of knockdown in Oxford dictionary - American English (US)

"Sailing an instance of a vessel being knocked on its side by the force of the wind."

Waves are not a factor.

Boats with hatches open when knocked down sometimes sink...
Its very very rare , especially on a mono hull, flying white sails , for wind to cause a knockdown.

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Its very very rare , especially on a mono hull, flying white sails , for wind to cause a knockdown.

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Like in sex, it only takes once to get pregnant or acquire a disease...

Do what you will, but being prepared for the possible once in a lifetime event makes down home good sense.

That's all we're saying.
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Oh for gods sake, that's nonsense

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Old 09-08-2013, 09:27   #125
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Not sure what you are describing wasn't a broach. But, not having been there I'll accept your description of the event as a "knock down".

From: knockdown: definition of knockdown in Oxford dictionary - American English (US)

"Sailing an instance of a vessel being knocked on its side by the force of the wind."

Waves are not a factor.

Boats with hatches open when knocked down sometimes sink...
Well, I'm sure that the good folks who write dictionary definitions are experienced sailors, so why should I not believe them?

But really, I've noticed that in a very strong gust our boat heels... maybe as much as 45 degrees in a really strong gust... and then as the sails have less area exposed to the gust the heeling moment is reduced and pretty soon - well before 90 degrees is reached - an equilibrium is reached and the boat heels no further. Only in the fairly rare situation of a gust with a large vertical component will a true knockdown from a wind gust be possible.

And to say that waves are not a factor in a knockdown is just silly.

Finally, in the example of a knockdown that I experienced, we were hove to at the time and were struck from abeam by a large breaking sea which came from an angle well divergent from the general wave pattern. I do not believe that this would be defined as a broach.

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Old 09-08-2013, 09:29   #126
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Well, I'm sure that the good folks who write dictionary definitions are experienced sailors, so why should I not believe them?

But really, I've noticed that in a very strong gust our boat heels... maybe as much as 45 degrees in a really strong gust... and then as the sails have less area exposed to the gust the heeling moment is reduced and pretty soon - well before 90 degrees is reached - an equilibrium is reached and the boat heels no further. Only in the fairly rare situation of a gust with a large vertical component will a true knockdown from a wind gust be possible.

And to say that waves are not a factor in a knockdown is just silly.

Finally, in the example of a knockdown that I experienced, we were hove to at the time and were struck from abeam by a large breaking sea which came from an angle well divergent from the general wave pattern. I do not believe that this would be defined as a broach.

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Waves are not necessary to have a knock down. Silly to you or not, it's true.

I notice you are driving a 46' boat. While you are carrying more sail, your boat's weight contributes to inertia that resists forces to a greater degree than my 27', 8,000 pound boat. An identical wind gust is more likely to knock my boat over than yours.

If a sailor is top sides and not below when a gust powerful enough to knock a boat over arrives, promptly spilling wind from the sails can save the day. Otherwise...

Looks like these sailors were taking a buoy out in preparation for a race. Don't know how much it contributed to the knock down, but there you are. Waves?





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And stainless causes scabies. Right.
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This tastes funny!! Mom he's on my side!! Stop punching me!! Are we there yet!!!

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Multiple wrongs don't make a wright/right???
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I love when people that have or think they have limitations to be able to do things think that the rest of us have those same limitations...

see it every day...sad but true....
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According to Wrong himself, he's just pushing your/our buttons. So we can stop arguing.
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According to Wrong himself, he's just pushing your/our buttons. So we can stop arguing.
Not really...after just a few posts I knew the user name to say something about him/herself.....
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